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Officials Weighed Shooting at Errant Plane
AP (via Drudge) ^ | May 12, 2005 9:33 PM (ET) | LARA JAKES JORDAN

Posted on 05/13/2005 12:25:41 AM PDT by andie74

WASHINGTON (AP) - As a wayward Cessna flew deep in restricted airspace, national security officials were on the phone discussing whether to implement the last line of defense: shooting it down.

The single-engine Cessna that prompted a frenzied evacuation of the White House, Capitol and Supreme Court on Wednesday veered away from downtown landmarks just before that decision needed to be made.

But it was a close call.

One senior Bush administration counterterrorism official said it was "a real finger-biting period because they came very close to ordering a shot against a general aircraft."

"How many more seconds away or minutes - it was within a very small window where there would have been the decision," said the official, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Administration officials spent Thursday reviewing the bizarre series of events involving the small plane, which was carrying a pilot and a student pilot from Pennsylvania to an air show in North Carolina. It entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of people as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it.

Hundreds of planes have encroached on the airspace since the Sept. 11 attacks, but none is believed to have gone so far - within three miles of the White House.

Lt. Col. Tim Lehmann, one of two F-16 fighter pilots who tracked the Cessna, said he was prepared to use deadly force. He said he realized how serious the situation became when he looked at the Cessna and saw the Washington Monument in the background.

"We may have been on the cusp of some kind of engagement," Lehmann said. "I don't know how close we came."

A response system put in place after the attacks, coordinated in part by the Homeland Security Department's classified operations center, alerted other areas of the federal government to the incoming plane. Security forces at individual facilities and agencies decided on a case-by-case basis whether to evacuate or raise their alert level.

Alert levels at the White House and the Capitol were raised to their highest level - red - at the height of the frenzy.

President Bush, biking at the Patuxent Wildlife Research Center in Beltsville, Md., was unaware of the midday scare as it was occurring. His security detail knew of the raised threat level but did not tell him.

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said that a review of how the situation was handled was being conducted. But he said Bush was not upset that he was not filled in.

"The president has a great amount of trust in his security detail," McClellan said. "If there are any improvements that need to be made, they will be made."

Immediately after the Cessna entered the restricted 30-mile radius Air Defense Identification Zone at 11:28 a.m. EDT, authorities activated the Domestic Events Network to share information as they tracked the plane. The network, a conference call of officials from the Homeland Security Department, Customs and Border Protection, the Pentagon, the Federal Aviation Administration and a handful of other agencies, lasted until the Cessna landed just over an hour later.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was apprised of the situation as it unfolded. He is among a small handful of top Pentagon officials who can order a shootdown. The president also may give such an order.

Pentagon officials sought to play down the incident, saying the small plane was not seen as a serious threat and did not come close to being shot down. Homeland Security spokesman Brian Roehrkasse declined to comment on how close it was.

Brian Jenkins, counterterrorism analyst for the RAND Corp. think tank, agreed the threat from the Cessna was limited.

"The quantity of explosives that you can pack in a little Cessna is not the quantity of explosives you see placed in these big truck bombs," Jenkins said. "In terms of explosives, it probably could not do that much damage."

However, government officials also had to consider the possibility it was carrying chemical or biological weapons. A relatively small amount of either could have devastating effects.

Customs officials scrambled a Black Hawk helicopter and a Cessna Citation jet at 11:47 a.m. to intercept the plane and were joined a few minutes later by two Air National Guard F-16 fighter jets.

The Cessna pilot appeared confused by the aircraft escort and did not respond to repeated signals ordering the plane to turn away. The F-16s fired four warning flares before the Cessna finally veered west and away from the secure zone. They landed safely at an airport in Frederick, Md.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aircraft; airplane; bush43; evacuation; homelandsecurity; noflyzone; security; shootdown; threatairplane; whitehouse
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To: injin
There should be no chinks in the armor when it comes to maximum protections of our leadership and the nation's Capitol

I'm sorry, but I disagree.

This is the United States of America, not Upper Volta. Attacks on the individuals who are privileged to hold leadership positions at the moment, or even on the historic buildings in which they are temporarily working, cannot shake the foundations of our Republic.

God forbid that any harm should befall our political leaders-but even if the Capitol were destroyed in an instant, with all the Members inside, we would reconstitute our government in a brief time with new public employees chosen by us in our States, and carry on.

I am shaken every time I visit the fortress that our Capitol has become. The symbolism is that the public servants who work here are incredibly important and valuable, so much so that their physical safety and the safety of the Republic are coextensive.

This is of course not true.

That having been said, I would have had no quibble with shooting down the Cessna, or any aircraft intruding on the restricted airspace over DC.

41 posted on 05/13/2005 2:46:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I misread you...sorry.

I hear you and am with you. I don't think it was a dumb mistake either.


42 posted on 05/13/2005 2:47:55 AM PDT by andie74 (Socializing children at home since 2003)
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To: andie74; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; ...

43 posted on 05/13/2005 2:51:43 AM PDT by Aeronaut (I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things - Saint-Exupery)
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To: andie74
Officials Weighed Shooting at Errant Plane

They have to say this. Think of it as a 'notice to airmen'. "This guy got lucky, but if you try it, be prepared to die."

It's sad, but there are just enough goofballs out there who will read about this and decide it would be a Fun Story to Know and Tell that they'll do it just to get their name in the paper.


44 posted on 05/13/2005 2:53:13 AM PDT by Nick Danger (Honey, Intel wants to go outside)
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To: andie74

LOL, thanks for the link to the canopy!
What a riot, Loopy is good at times, have a good one then :)


45 posted on 05/13/2005 3:15:32 AM PDT by 1FASTGLOCK45 (FreeRepublic: More fun than watching Dem'Rats drown like Turkeys in the rain! ! !)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
.....The student should get his learners permit burned and the instructor should have his pilot license removed.

Amen!

46 posted on 05/13/2005 3:23:45 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Paul_Denton
That or a dry run to probe our response.

I love how this one gets rolled out repeatedly when it doesn't make the slightest sense at all.

47 posted on 05/13/2005 3:40:01 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ARCADIA

No, there is a way to communicate with it.
Any student is taught to switch to 121.5 when being challenged by the USAF.

This will have to make the FAA ans GA look very, very bad.


48 posted on 05/13/2005 3:43:03 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: andie74

We have two small town airports near our home. To think that imbeciles like these two are above our home is not reassuring at all.


49 posted on 05/13/2005 4:05:11 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: andie74
The pilot and his passenger are no longer in custody. Have not been charged with anything. And the FAA has not pulled their licenses.

Go figure.

50 posted on 05/13/2005 4:09:18 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Fenris6
If this had been a terrorist attack, we'd be trying to figure out who was 23rd in line to succeed the late President Bush.

That would be me.

Pope President Laz.

51 posted on 05/13/2005 4:11:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: bill1952
Any student is taught to switch to 121.5 when being challenged by the USAF.

First you have to know that you are being challenged. We had a pilot cross the boarder in a similar cessna coming in from the Bahamas. Clear day, no radio contact and no flight plan. He told me the first he was aware the jets was when he looked out the window to see two f-16s sitting on their tails, one off of each of his wing tips. If the darn things are just circling around he may not have even see them (75% of the time they are in his blind spot - then they are zooming around a mile in front of him and sevaral thousand feet above him). This guy didn't know what was going on until they closed to drop flairs on him.
52 posted on 05/13/2005 4:31:23 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: ARCADIA

The military is trained to shoot things down. They are not equipped to do police traffic stops. A better solution would have been to have sent in the helicopters from the beginning.


53 posted on 05/13/2005 4:35:36 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: andie74
national security officials were on the phone discussing whether to implement the last line of defense: shooting it down.

In an unrelated story the Senate unanimously passed an appropriations bill providing money to purchase personal .50 caliber BMGs.

54 posted on 05/13/2005 5:07:26 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer
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To: SteveMcKing
Couldn't a good pilot give the intruder a "bump"?

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Those pilots aren't going to do anything they're not ordered to do. And no superior is going to give an order like that over the top of a metropolitan area. You could potentially bring all of the planes down. What then?

What I can't believe is that the Cessna pilot told 2-F16s and a Blackhawk (or whatever the chopper was) that they would not land and they had the right to continue their course. That's suicide. Had he been flying a MIG or something, I can see the logic (a little.)

Can you imagine what probably filled their britches when the F-16s shot those flares past them?
55 posted on 05/13/2005 5:20:38 AM PDT by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: gooleyman
"Can you imagine what probably filled their britches when the F-16s shot those flares past them?"

That is probably what caused the wobbly Zig-zag irratic flight.

"What I can't believe is that the Cessna pilot told 2-F16s and a Blackhawk (or whatever the chopper was) that they would not land and they had the right to continue their course."

Where did you hear that? My understanding was that they were finally able to contact them using a US Custom's Falcon jet.
56 posted on 05/13/2005 5:38:49 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

I would think that our firepower would ensure that nothing but ashes would come down on the general population. However, there is always the possibility that such a plane could be carrying biological/chemical weapons. Tough call either way. However, I am disgusted that the two were released - should have been charged.


57 posted on 05/13/2005 6:10:48 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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To: Strategerist
That or a dry run to probe our response.

I love how this one gets rolled out repeatedly when it doesn't make the slightest sense at all.

ROTFL! I agree wholeheartedly.

~chuckling~ Just thankful that there are cooler heads actually in charge than some of the reactionary folk here.

58 posted on 05/13/2005 6:12:28 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Strategerist
I love how this one gets rolled out repeatedly when it doesn't make the slightest sense at all.

May be may not be was my point. But to conclude it was not is niave. The indecisiveness, had it been a real attack could have gotten people killed.

59 posted on 05/13/2005 6:24:11 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: daybreakcoming

Nope. Flaming wreckage and bullets from the jet would have rained down on the (now evacuated) people in the streets. In a Bio/Chem attack, being outdoors is the last place to be. Indoors is better. They will probably fix that.

Actually, this was a good (if unplanned) test of the system. The assesment of the plane was good, and the actions by everyone involved (except the pilots of the Cessna) were spot on, given the situation.

Bravo!! the system worked.


60 posted on 05/13/2005 6:26:58 AM PDT by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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