U.S. Catholics Now Batting for Illegal Aliens

Conservative News.US ^ | 5-12-2005 | E.F. Winslow

[franky]

Non binding issues from the bishops is no reason to enhance your leaving the Church. The Church is made up of sinners. Bishops, priests, nuns and laity are all sinners.

If you had sat in front of the Eucharist and asked for our Lord's guidance you might still be enjoying His fruits.

I am sure I am somewhat older than both of you and I have been screwed by some Church officials in the past but it never discouraged me to leave the faith. I just prayed harder for those people.

I'll pray for the both of you.

[joebuck]

No one is calling these immigrants "sinners", rather, they are being called law breakers. And isn't enforcing legitimate immigration laws merely rendering unto Ceasear what is Ceasar's?

[Clemenza]

I'm 29, and can't think of ANY time when the Church didn't support open immigration.

It won't matter anyway, as many Central Americans and Mexicans come here as Catholics and become Evangelicals within a generation. This is all about filling the pews.

[netmilsmom]

Being an official Anti-Catholic Troll Hunter, I just want to point Tony out.
He is a non-Catholics who has come onto one of our threads and did not bash our beliefs.
Stating where your beliefs differ and bashing ours are two different things.

God Bless you Tony!

B16 stated that one does not have to be Catholic to go to heaven (however it is the easiest), and you have found your way, I think!!!

You are a gentleman.

[moehoward]

THIS IS NOTHING NEW. My wife has been quite active in the church for years.
The Catholic church has provided a virtual underground railroad for Illegals.

http://www.google.com/search?q=catholic+church+illegal+aliens

[lady lawyer]

I don't think the Catholic church believes much in national borders at all.

When it gets right down to it, Christians, just like Muslims, believe that eventually the whole world will be united and governed as a theocracy. The differences come in how that is to be accomplished.

My observation is that the Catholic position is to favor the political movements which erode national sovereignty and gradually make borders meaningless.

I could be wrong. That's just my observation.

[american spirit]

Somewhere Karl Marx has a great big smile on his face.

[GOPologist]

If the Catholic Church wants to get into political business, then, it would be a good idea to tell them to pay taxes.

[SaltyJoe]

Thank you for this ping!

Black Faces in the Oil

My first generation Irish American dad told me of my grandma's stories I barely remember. I do recall of hearing about the Black and Tan force and their abuses. My Irish grandparents left for America during this period.

I'm first generation American on my mother's side. She left South America with her family when she was a wee toddler. There was more economic opportunity in America than whatever South America could offer.

From both sides of the family, my parents had an easy time of legally entering the United States. We don't often hear of the difficulties that others have who are trying desperately to avoid murder and starvation (and not everyone wants to enter America).

I'm in the Merchant Marine, and I hear quite a few stories about stowaways. They are a very big problem when visiting certain foreign ports. In fact, some American vessels leaving Haiti will actually circle around the island and reenter the harbor just to find and remove stowaways. If a stowaway enters the U.S., the shipping company is responsible for for the alien's repatriation. This can mean spending some very very big bucks.

But the horror that many of these poor souls are trying to escape should not harden our hearts zealous for patriotism and national protection. I can only imagine that if any of us were experiencing the same, we too would leap over mountains and swim under the seas to escape the same hardships and terror. One story that has stuck in my mind was told by a tanker captain whose engineers found stowaways in their bilges. If you associate images of the nastiest forms of pollution with the word "bilge", then you aren't off the mark. Bilge water in a ship is a mixture of sea water and oil that leaks from the ship engines. Sometimes it includes human waste (depending on the ship you're on). It's a vile mess of organic sea life and man-made filth and there is normally a foul stench from the same.

In this story, engineers were walking on the metal grating over the very bottom of the ship's engine room. There was the normal ship action of being at sea and the bilge water moving with the motion. But the engineers also noticed black faces in the oil. They were Africans trying to escape their country's mess. They didn't case the problems, and they were too weak to change their world. They wanted to leave it and start over elsewhere.

So when I hear of such events, I have to halt my judgment and think of what would be so horrifying in my life that I would crawl through a ship's bilge water to escape? (Yes, I know of poly wog initiation for some seafarers and sailors, but I hope much of that abuse has stopped).

Why don't I just take a stand and murder my oppressors? Hmmm, I wonder how many zealous patriots have murdered their oppressors. How many have actually taken a human life to save their very own or another's? Not everyone has this ability or will. Those who've taken a human life (especially at close range) can tell you what post traumatic stress is.

Why doesn't the American military just rush around the world killing every oppressive regime? Isn't that a realistic solution?

I don't think that America will accept every wandering refugee. But I don't thump my patriotic chest as if an escaping alien is filth to be scraped off my shoe. I don't have the solutions, but I'm ready to hear what the Church can teach me.

[netmilsmom]

>>We can't judge other people's Salvation like that. We can neither damn them to Hell nor assure them of Heaven.<<

It was an opinion, FRiend. That's why I put, I think.

>>The current Holy Father did not state that "one does not have to be Catholic to go to heaven (however it is the easiest)". That is an inaccurate paraphrase of Church teaching on this most important subject.<<

Um, excuse me. You put that into quotes, I was paraphrasing. That's why it wasn't in quotes. I saw the following document explained on EWTN that way.

"Dominus Jesus

The document, whose subtitle is "On the Unicity and Salvific Universality of Jesus Christ and the Church," caused immediate controversy among many Protestants because it declared that the church that Jesus Christ founded "subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him." Dominus Iesus says that while Protestant churches have not been "deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation," they do "suffer from defects."

What exactly do you think this says?

[Coleus]

Then let the catholic church support them, educate them, feed them, provide them with health-care and incarcerate them using their own money and resources.

[kidd]

This Catholic's beliefs:

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Documented guest worker = ok
Increase legal immigration quota = ok

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Crossing the border illegally = liscensiousness

Walking across the border and take advantage of schools, medical care, welfare without paying share of taxes = robbery

Paying an illegal alien substandard wages for work "that no one else will do" = slavery

Leaving border wide open after 9/11 = government irresponsibly failing to perform its Constitutional duty

[PRND21]

Leviticus 19:34

The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born.
Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

[Bella_Bru]

Send all medical and education bills to the chrurch.

Good idea.