Posted on 05/11/2005 5:51:32 PM PDT by An American Patriot
A Video of Lou Dobbs interviewing, Peter Gadiel (PRESIDENT, 9/11 FAMILIES FOR A SECURE AMERICA) DOBBS: "We talked, of course, as we have a number of times, with the consulate of Mexico. They said that the card you have they simply wanted to let you know that it was invalid and they have a far more secure one now. GADIEL: "Right. Well, I took care of that problem. Hal Netkin (ph), a friend of mine out in California, got me -- got me a new one. And while I was in the process, he also got you one." DOBBS: "Oh, thank you. Now I am probably going to be under investigation."
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DOBBS: We talked, of course, as we have a number of times, with the consulate of Mexico. They said that the card you have they simply wanted to let you know that it was invalid and they have a far more secure one now.
GADIEL: Right. Well, I took care of that problem. Hal Netkin (ph), a friend of mine out in California, got me -- got me a new one. And while I was in the process, he also got you one.
DOBBS: Oh, thank you. Now I am probably going to be under investigation. May I see the -- both cards?
GADIEL: Sure.
GADIEL: They are for sale everywhere. They are not at all secure. And -- but the important thing that people should remember is that it isn't the card itself that -- for example, a driver's license can be counterfeited. But it's not the card itself that's the process, the database at the Motor Vehicles Department that makes the card secure. This -- there is no database, according to the FBI, and even if there were a database in Mexico, it's quite likely the Mexican government would not allow our government access to it, because that would reveal the names and addresses of illegal aliens living in this country.
DOBBS: I don't know to what degree you have got me into trouble along with you, Peter, but it's a risk I'm glad to -- flattered to share with you.
GADIEL: We can share a Mexican dungeon together.
SEE ALSO: "Consular IDs help illegals evade immigration law."
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040929-111523-5943r.htm
HERE IS ANOTHER REAL EYE OPENER:
IDs for Illegals The 'Matricula Consular'Advances Mexico's Immigration Agenda By The Center for Immigration Studies
“The matricula consular is useful in the United States only for illegal aliens, since legal immigrants, by definition, have U.S. government-issued documents.”
“The Mexican government has launched an aggressive grassroots lobbying campaign to win acceptance for its matricula card”
The objective of this lobbying effort is to achieve quasi-legal status for Mexican illegals in the United States without waiting for action from Washington.
The matricula itself, however, is useful to illegal aliens only insofar as U.S. institutions are willing to collaborate with Mexico’s efforts to circumvent U.S. immigration law.
"While many jurisdictions have resisted pressure from the Mexican government, others have not; the matricula is now accepted by 800 local law enforcement agencies and 74 banks, as well as by 13 states for purposes of obtaining a driver’s license.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back303.html
Another Interesting Issue--I somehow missed:
222 House Members Put Interests of Banking Lobby Ahead of Homeland Security."
http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2517&c=34
<>b>Go here to see who the 49 Gutless, Pubes, were that voted “Aye” on this bill. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll452.xml
Of course (and I know this is sure to get some negative responses from all of the “Bush-can-do-no-wrong”/“We should not criticize GW,”/“Just think of the alternative” crowd) President Bush supports this craziness. Sorry folks, but facts are facts!!
Well, I voted for him, and I believe on the immigration issue, he is 110% wrong.
AS AN ASIDE, FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE “REAL ID” BILL AND ITS POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS (UNFOUNDED IMHO) AND SO CONCERNED ABOUT GIVING UP “OUR” RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, DOES THIS PERHAPS, GIVE YOU, FOOD FOR THOUGHT?
Not really. Simply provide that (1) no state or federally-authorized or -subsidized institution (banking, colleges, etc.) shall accept any foreign-issued identification documentations, other than passports with a valid U.S. visa; (2) the first time an illegal alien is caught, they will be subjected to fingerprinting, retinal scan, etc. If they are caught again within the U.S. more than a week later, they will be sent to a hard labor camp.
I don't think very many aliens would have to be sent to the labor camp if the rules were enforced.
It might be interesting to see in how many cities it could be used for voter identification?-
Go for it!
Hey I'm going to try an get one.
"I don't think very many aliens would have to be sent to the labor camp if the rules were enforced."
Oh, My Dear Supercat, but were it so!
Woe be it for me to burst your bubble, or take exception to your argument--which is a "non-starter," in as NO ONE (OR VERY FEW INSTITUTIONS--PRIVATE OR OTHERWISE) ARE REFUSING TO "HONOR" THESE CARDS.
I think you probably scanned this post and replied, before taking the time to do a little due diligence's and check out the links I provided.
Unfortunately, as the old saying goes: "Money talks, and Bullsh*t Walks," and this is apparently, what is happening here in this country.
Businesses (especially Banks and for the life of me I can't understand why, as most "undocumented workers" simply use their bank accounts to transfer or send money back to Mexico and I must be missing something as to how banks make money on this) and other institutions, including (IF YOU READ THE POST, SOME 800 LEA's and 13 STATES) are falling all over themselves to "accept" these forms of "ID's" from obviously, illegal aliens--including, sadly, but not suprisingly--local, state and federal agencies.
Yep.
wire transfers cost 25-30 dollars. Banks make plenty, don't worry.
More info for Thunder on the Border
Hear hear. He's about the only show on TV of any type that dares to call them "illegal aliens", without exception.
Dobbs is one of very few.
BTTT
I wasn't suggesting that my proposals were law, but rather suggesting that they perhaps should be. Those proposals would achieve much of the effect of the Real ID act, but at a fraction of the price.
My friend, apparently you haven't had time to watch the vid (Lou Dobb's interview) as from I got from that (and Peter Gadiel's comments and showing up with TWO cards, including one for Lou Dobbs) its simply a matter of "pony-ing up a few bucks" and VOILA!, you have a card; in other words, ANYONE, can get one!
YOU KNOW, "WE" MAY JUST HAVE HIT ON SOMETHING.
WHAT IF ALL OF "US" (AND WE COUD SPREAD THE WORD) WERE TO "BUY" A MATRICULA CONSILAR CARD, AND THERAFTER, USE "IT" AS OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF IDENTIFICATION, FOR EVERYTHING?
HEY, WHO IS GOING TO CHALLENGE THE "LEGALITY" OF THIS CONDUCT?
AND EVEN BETTER IF ANYONE DOES!
THEN, "WE" (OR WHOEVER IS CHALLENGED) CAN PETITION THE ACLU, La Razza, The State Dept., Rep. John Paul, President Bush, Senator(s) Kennedy, McCain, Boxer, (oh hell, ALL DIMS and RINOS) and everyone else, to file a suit on our behalf.
Wouldn't that be a hoot?
If anyone finds a way of "buying one," let me know.
Hey, I want to take one to my local DMV, bank, etc, and try and use it and see what happens.
That cannot possibly be illegal, can it? LOL
I wonder if they require SS number from illegals. They do if you are U.S. citizens.
Thanks. Been yearssssssss since I've done one and I can't even remember what it costs, although if memory serves me (and at my advance years, that's always up for debate, LOL) it was only a few dollars.
Figured, there had to be something in it for the greedy ban-cos!
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