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This is relevant, for anyone who missed this interview (and that's quite possible considering, few of "us" watch the Clintoon News Network) especially, in light of the Real ID bill and what appears to be, a considerable number of Freepers who are adamantly opposed, based on privacy concerns, costs, possible inefectiveness, etc.
1 posted on 05/11/2005 5:51:34 PM PDT by An American Patriot
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To: An American Patriot
PETER GADIEL, PRESIDENT, 9/11 FAMILIES FOR A SECURE AMERICA: Thanks for having me.

DOBBS: We talked, of course, as we have a number of times, with the consulate of Mexico. They said that the card you have they simply wanted to let you know that it was invalid and they have a far more secure one now.

GADIEL: Right. Well, I took care of that problem. Hal Netkin (ph), a friend of mine out in California, got me -- got me a new one. And while I was in the process, he also got you one.

DOBBS: Oh, thank you. Now I am probably going to be under investigation. May I see the -- both cards?

GADIEL: Sure.

GADIEL: They are for sale everywhere. They are not at all secure. And -- but the important thing that people should remember is that it isn't the card itself that -- for example, a driver's license can be counterfeited. But it's not the card itself that's the process, the database at the Motor Vehicles Department that makes the card secure. This -- there is no database, according to the FBI, and even if there were a database in Mexico, it's quite likely the Mexican government would not allow our government access to it, because that would reveal the names and addresses of illegal aliens living in this country.

DOBBS: I don't know to what degree you have got me into trouble along with you, Peter, but it's a risk I'm glad to -- flattered to share with you.

GADIEL: We can share a Mexican dungeon together.

SEE ALSO: "Consular IDs help illegals evade immigration law."

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040929-111523-5943r.htm

HERE IS ANOTHER REAL EYE OPENER:

IDs for Illegals The 'Matricula Consular'Advances Mexico's Immigration Agenda By The Center for Immigration Studies

“The matricula consular is useful in the United States only for illegal aliens, since legal immigrants, by definition, have U.S. government-issued documents.”

“The Mexican government has launched an aggressive grassroots lobbying campaign to win acceptance for its matricula card”

The objective of this lobbying effort is to achieve quasi-legal status for Mexican illegals in the United States without waiting for action from Washington.

The matricula itself, however, is useful to illegal aliens only insofar as U.S. institutions are willing to collaborate with Mexico’s efforts to circumvent U.S. immigration law.

"While many jurisdictions have resisted pressure from the Mexican government, others have not; the matricula is now accepted by 800 local law enforcement agencies and 74 banks, as well as by 13 states for purposes of obtaining a driver’s license.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back303.html

Another Interesting Issue--I somehow missed:

222 House Members Put Interests of Banking Lobby Ahead of Homeland Security."

http://www.fairus.org/Media/Media.cfm?ID=2517&c=34

<>b>Go here to see who the 49 Gutless, Pubes, were that voted “Aye” on this bill. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2004/roll452.xml

Of course (and I know this is sure to get some negative responses from all of the “Bush-can-do-no-wrong”/“We should not criticize GW,”/“Just think of the alternative” crowd) President Bush supports this craziness. Sorry folks, but facts are facts!!

Well, I voted for him, and I believe on the immigration issue, he is 110% wrong.

AS AN ASIDE, FOR ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE “REAL ID” BILL AND ITS POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS (UNFOUNDED IMHO) AND SO CONCERNED ABOUT GIVING UP “OUR” RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, DOES THIS PERHAPS, GIVE YOU, FOOD FOR THOUGHT?

3 posted on 05/11/2005 6:03:40 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: An American Patriot
Thank you for posting this.

The Mexican government issued this matricula card for it's citizens, I think they need to go back to Mexico to use it. If they try to use it here then they should have a Visa from the US to go with it.

I know that is not going to happen because the politicians are spineless and the businesses and banks are too greedy.
5 posted on 05/11/2005 6:16:28 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: An American Patriot
I've been wondering how I could get a Matricula Consular card for myself. If I spoke Spanish/Mexican it would be a virtual "get out of jail free" card; I wouldn't have to worry about getting auto insurance, points on my driver's license, paying for hospital treatment; and I'm sure that there a other benefits. In fact I think we should have a whole bunch made up and send them to the members of our state legislators, and to members of Congress also.

It might be interesting to see in how many cities it could be used for voter identification?-

6 posted on 05/11/2005 6:21:00 PM PDT by MRMEAN (Nuke the border!)
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To: An American Patriot

Hey I'm going to try an get one.


8 posted on 05/11/2005 6:45:44 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: backhoe

More info for Thunder on the Border


12 posted on 05/11/2005 6:54:47 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: An American Patriot

save.


21 posted on 05/11/2005 7:09:26 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: An American Patriot

how about we refuse to accept the matricula consular ?
fraud associated with it has been well known for years.


26 posted on 05/11/2005 8:00:33 PM PDT by catroina54
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