Posted on 05/11/2005 10:53:10 AM PDT by Publius
State Democrats say their latest research shows that Republican Dino Rossi cannot overcome Gov. Christine Gregoire's 129-vote victory under any theory proposed in court.
Even using the GOP's method of analyzing alleged illegal votes in the November election, the Democrats claimed, Gregoire would win by 67 votes.
Former two-term Gov. Gary Locke -- the man Gregoire replaced in the Statehouse -- accused Rossi of "fighting for himself at the expense of the citizens of this state." He and state Democratic Party Chairman Paul Berendt called a news conference yesterday to urge Rossi to drop his lawsuit.
Our question is, 'Why go forward?' " Berendt asked.
Republicans, in a news release, said the Democrats were engaging in "wishful thinking" if they believed Rossi would drop his legal challenge now. " We are more confident than ever that we will win this case," said state Republican Party Chairman Chris Vance.
Democratic spokeswoman Amanda Fuchs said the party's analysis was done by "people at Democratic headquarters" and had not been reviewed by the party's two statistical experts.
Rossi, a former state senator, was initially declared the winner of what has turned into the closest governor's race in US history. He led after the initial machine count by 261 votes and after a machine recount by 42 votes. However, a hand recount awarded the victory to Gregoire, the state's two-term attorney general. Rossi filed suit in January to have the election overturned.
Most of the sparring has focused on lists both parties have produced of suspect votes. The GOP claims it has found 946 felons who voted illegally, and the Democrats last week submitted a list of 743.
Republicans want a judge in Chelan County Superior Court, where the case was filed, to subtract the 946 illegal votes from each candidate's total based on the percentage of votes each candidate received in the precincts where those votes were cast. Republicans say this "proportional reduction" would favor Rossi.
However, Democrats have accused the Republicans of looking for felon voters only in precincts and counties that favored Gregoire. They say the 743 alleged illegal votes they cite were intentionally concealed by Republicans. The GOP list includes felon votes from 13 of the state's 39 counties; the Democrats say they found felon voters in 36 counties.
Here's how the Democrats arrived at the 67-vote margin they claimed for Gregoire yesterday: They first accepted Rossi's assertion that the Republicans' felon list would reduce Gregoire's vote total by 242 more votes than Rossi's. Next, they claimed their own list of felons would reduce Rossi's total by 180 more than Gregoire's. Subtracting one from the other would lead to a net loss of 62 votes for Gregoire. But since she won the election by 129 votes, she'd still come out ahead by 67.
All of those calculations presume there are no errors on either list. Each side alleges that the other's list is full of mistakes.
You're not missing a thing.........and I do believe it is now too late to add any more to either list. The deadline was last Friday. Trial starts May 23.
What gets me is that the FBI is already investigating the mayor of Spokane and we still can't get them to look into our stolen election.
Well Austrailia is pretty socialist, more so then Washington. And of course they are totally disarmed there. Me, I'm going to stay and fight. If elections are no longer a possible way to change things due to massive fraud I am more then willing to move on to the next mechanism.
Stick around, the fun is just beginning.
Democrats can count?
"Democrats Do The Math" ha ha, come on we all know that they have their own unique way of counting."Well, the DEMS' calypso Louis math will produce anything they want...
Doesn't 2+2=5 in the liberals minds? So no one gets hurt feelings?
When the democrats are doing the math, anything is possible. Gregoire may win by more every time they investigate.
"Bistromathics itself is simply a revolutionary new way of understanding the behaviour of numbers. Just as Einstein observed that space was not an absolute but depended on the observer's movement in time, so it is now realized that numbers are not absolute, but depend on the observer's movement in restaurants."
Leave your guns here when you leave----nobody else will let you keep them.
We did not win them all, but in 2004, we won more than we lost.
Exactly. Which is why our students do worse on academic test each year in comparison with other developed nations, and why they score higher each year in self-image. We have so much for which to thank the liberals.
That's because we don't know the individual "diversity multipliers" that are applied to each "2". It's just like how they score college admissions applications.
-PJ
Very interesting. Politics sure makes for strange bedfellows.
LOL! I haven't heard of this before, but on reading it I think it's too technical an explanation for liberal New Math proponents. Their position was that it doesn't matter whether you get the answer right; it only matters that you tried your best and that you feel good about yourself for trying. I think any liberal who advocates this should be limited, should he ever require brain surgery, to physicians who were educated under that philosophy.
At this point, I see this as a win-win for Republicans. We end up with two potential outcomes; the election is thrown out or exposure to just how sloppy (and perhaps fraudulent) elections are in the state. Either way, it blows back in her direction.
Especially if Dino holds tight and doesn't run against Cantwell in next year.
New math or fuzzy math?
Well, that settles it. Unnamed partisans of unknown qualifications say it, so it must be so.
IMHO, the Republicans erred by going for this sort of statistical analysis. What they should instead have done is said, "Here's at least 946 people who voted illegally. The Democrats have found an additional 743 illegal votes. Add 'em up, and you have at least 1,689 people who voted illegally. Given that that's more than 13 times the margin of victory, it's impossible to know who won. Void the election and call a knew one."
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