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Was World War II worth it? (Buchanan barf alert)
WorldNetDaily ^ | May 11, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 05/11/2005 9:08:36 AM PDT by EveningStar

If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in.

If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe.

Was that worth fighting a world war – with 50 million dead?

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To: malakhi

You make a good point. I still think if you take Stalin's reign from the Great Purge in 1937 to his death in 1953, you will find a similar death toll to the Nazi's from 1933-45. I haven't looked yet, but I think that would be an interesting and probably more useful comparison, as you stated.


181 posted on 05/11/2005 12:04:50 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (No matter what my work/play ratio is, I am never a dull boy.)
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To: dervish
On one level it is a hard comparison to make since Hitler was stopped.

True ... and Stalin was not, to our everlasting shame.

In a time versus killing ratio Hitler was supreme.

I think there's more than just correlation, there. Hitler knew his time was running out, and cranked up the pace accordingly. And Hitler was more into industrialised (for lack of a better word) mass murder; Stalin was into mass starvation. That takes longer ... but he had time on his side. As to what the world would look like if we hadn't allied ourselves with Satan (Stalin) ... there's no way that two evil megalomaniacs like Hitler and Stalin would have been 'good neighbors' for any length of time.

182 posted on 05/11/2005 12:05:26 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Blessed

France could have overrun the industrial heart of Germany in September 1939. German commanders acknowledged as such after the war.


183 posted on 05/11/2005 12:07:19 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: malakhi

More total mass murder to his name, exporting evil ideology to a larger part of the world, running a much larger system of concentration camps ... if that's not enough for you, too bad.


184 posted on 05/11/2005 12:08:25 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

>Buchanan also ignores the fact that while Pearl Harbor lay in still-smoking ruins, Hitler took the initative in declaring war on the United States at the same time the Nazis were conducting the 'Wannsee Conference' which planned the extermination of all European Jews after the German invasion of all European nations. ,

Haven't read the article or the thread have you?

The German's invaded France and the rest of Western Europe a year before Pearl harbor.The quote has nothing to do with the US declaring War


187 posted on 05/11/2005 12:12:41 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: EveningStar

Patrick J. Buchanan gets an awful lot of mileage out of being stupid.


188 posted on 05/11/2005 12:12:47 PM PDT by hgro (ews)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"More total mass murder to his name, exporting evil ideology to a larger part of the world, running a much larger system of concentration camps ... if that's not enough for you, too bad."


None of that is logically sufficient because it presupposes that Hitler was stopped, the very point under debate.


189 posted on 05/11/2005 12:14:51 PM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: seamole
I see where Buchanan claims that it was France's and Britain's declaration of war against Germany for the invasion of Poland that forced Hitler west, but that completely ignores Hitler's real intention of sidetracking the US into war with Japan while his sub fleet bottled up our ability to move men and material to England.

SMD & STFU

190 posted on 05/11/2005 12:15:34 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: ArrogantBustard
More total mass murder to his name, exporting evil ideology to a larger part of the world, running a much larger system of concentration camps

Is there anything Stalin did that Hitler wouldn't have done, given sufficient time?

I don't think so, which is why I don't think you can say that Stalin was a "worse monster" than Hitler.

191 posted on 05/11/2005 12:16:11 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Blessed
If they had not made the issue over Poland Hitler would not have had an excuse for invading Western Europe and in any event they would have had more time to prepare.

And the rape victim was asking for it.

You think Hitler needed an excuse to invade Poland? Good grief. He planned that invasion in "jail" in 1924.

192 posted on 05/11/2005 12:21:32 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Cool it.


193 posted on 05/11/2005 12:22:03 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: Finalapproach29er
Pat actually has always had conservative Democrat leanings.

There's a thought.


194 posted on 05/11/2005 12:22:06 PM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: Petronski

Thank you.


195 posted on 05/11/2005 12:22:35 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: EveningStar

"I'll do anything, for a few hundred thousand per annum. Me and my sis will, that is."

"I'll write books, run for president, ridicule the party that used to pay me."

"I'll make nice talk about Adolph Hitler, for a few hundred thousand per year."

Next week Pat will feature his article about the nice Japanese, and the bad Americans.

It is part two in his America-the Bad Guys in WWII Series.

Available at discount book outlets, in a few places.


197 posted on 05/11/2005 12:24:41 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: hgro

So far I have seen a few people engaged in a very interesting debate a topic which I think would be a great discussion for a history class. However, a lot of people, acting like my liberal friends, would rather call a guy who even raises the discussion "stupid", an "idiot" and I think one Freeper even wished him dead. If he was actually an idiot, you could easily refute his argument with some facts and logic (which some here did a good job of). Instead, you resort to name calling. Brilliant. Welcome to the politically correct Free Republic (some discussions are off limits)!!!


198 posted on 05/11/2005 12:26:02 PM PDT by Texas Federalist (No matter what my work/play ratio is, I am never a dull boy.)
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To: malakhi
Is there anything Stalin did that Hitler wouldn't have done

Yes:

1) He convinced cultural elites in the USA and western Europe that he was a good guy, that his evil ideology was the way of the future. To this very day communists infest university faculty, the MSM, and the Democratic Party.

2) He crafted an "inclusive" evil ideology; revolutionaries in South America, Africa, and east Asia readily adopted it as they never could have adopted Naziism. Hitler, with his sick fixation on "aryan" racial purity effectively limited the appeal of his ideology.

Stalin was a far more clever monster than Hitler; cleverness in a monster is a bad thing. QED.

199 posted on 05/11/2005 12:26:47 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Admin Moderator

Personal attack in a debate is truly the sign of the weak-minded. So being a Jew makes me a dog, huh? As far as my ancestry, you brought it up, albeit obliquely.

Why don't you go to Stormfront? Statements like yours are welcome there.

Not once did I say communism was preferable to nazism. Do you have problems with readng and comprehension, as well as debate deficiencies?


200 posted on 05/11/2005 12:31:07 PM PDT by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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