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House moves to raise U.S. debt ceiling ($9,000,000,000,000)
Washington Times ^ | May 10, 2005

Posted on 05/10/2005 3:47:39 PM PDT by RWR8189

Washington, DC, May. 3 (UPI) -- The U.S. House has sent legislation to the Senate that would raise the federal debt limit to nearly $9 trillion, a $781 billion increase.

The House agreed to the increase under an automatically executing provision in the 2005 budget resolution approved by the House and Senate late last week.

The House officially sent the Senate a separate piece of debt-relief legislation increasing the limit as mandated by the self-executing provision in the budget resolution.

Gaining approval of the separate bill through the gambit avoided the need for a politically costly debate on the House floor over increasing the debt ceiling again and highlighting the inter-party split on the issue.

Fiscal conservatives within the GOP have been clamoring for greater fiscal discipline on budget matters considering the massive federal deficits, estimated to reach another record in dollar terms this year, for the second consecutive year.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; biggovernment; budget; debt; deficit; deficitspending; federaldeficit; govwatch; nationaldebt; ninetrilliondollars
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To: RWR8189

Just a thought but I think the expatriate movement is really going to pick up steam as time goes by and people realize that they will be enslaved for their debts in the country.


61 posted on 05/10/2005 4:52:48 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who don't)
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To: Spiff
Excellent charts Spiff, scary as well.
62 posted on 05/10/2005 4:54:14 PM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: TomGuy
I get it, but Rush is no fan of deficit spending either.
63 posted on 05/10/2005 4:55:23 PM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: socialismisinsidious; freepatriot32

12 zeros! they are out of control!
when will people wake up? when do we start dumping tea?!
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A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
-Edward Abbey


64 posted on 05/10/2005 4:55:26 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolsexplained.htm)
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To: RWR8189

They should just raise it to $999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999.02 and be done with it.


65 posted on 05/10/2005 4:56:03 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: xrp
ANy estimates on what it costs to live in Belize? I wanna bail on this country ASAP.

Actually, if you are looking to emigrate, I think Australia is in a major economic boom right now. I had read a while back about Perth and vicinity doing very well (in part, I seem to remember that they have had some major mineral strikes), and apparently other parts of Australia are also enjoying a nice boom now.

Also, I believe that Australia's government budget is in the black. However, I believe that they are still net importers (ie, Australia runs a trade deficit, a strong and persistent one if memory serves.)

Also, I seem to remember that Australians have more holiday time than we do.

American dollars, though weaker than they used to be against the Aussie dollar, I think still aren't all that weak.

66 posted on 05/10/2005 4:56:54 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Centurion2000
All that started years ago with big corps. moving overseas. I know many people that have so many residences in so many places you can't tell where they are from.
67 posted on 05/10/2005 4:57:18 PM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: ARCADIA
They should just raise it to $999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999.02 and be done with it.

Yeah! And while they're at it they could just print as many dollar bills and they need and retire the whole debt!!! Woohoo!

68 posted on 05/10/2005 4:57:33 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: ARCADIA

The United States is a bankrupted proposition.


69 posted on 05/10/2005 4:58:28 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: TomGuy
And the major costs of last year's Pill Bill don't even start until 2007

Just more compassionate conservatism in action. I don't know how much more this nation of states can handle of the one political party in Washington..

70 posted on 05/10/2005 5:01:34 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Spiff

Spiff, WOW

Those cahrts are certainly illuminating, and disgusting, and disheartening and, and........WOW


71 posted on 05/10/2005 5:01:59 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: Spiff

Now I know what a "compassionate conservative" is.

Not even Rush can pretend the GOP is fiscally conservative.


72 posted on 05/10/2005 5:02:07 PM PDT by Guillermo (Miami Heat >> on a mission to the NBA Title.)
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To: rodguy911

Bush doing the "rope-a-dope" as you call would be even more repelling than him being truthful and in effect telling us 'go pound sand' I'll do what I see fit now that I'm not up for re-election, which I think is closer to the truth


73 posted on 05/10/2005 5:04:37 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: Guillermo

Get some guns and some gold and wait for the fireworks


74 posted on 05/10/2005 5:05:10 PM PDT by hubbubhubbub
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To: Ignatius J Reilly
Those cahrts are certainly illuminating, and disgusting, and disheartening and, and........WOW

This is not the first time that I've seen these charts and others supporting them. I am a Republican Precinct Committeeman and I wrote the following resolution to be voted on by the local county party committee. After the supposedly conservative party chairman told the assembled members that she opposed it, it was defeated by a vote or two. I was stunned. I'd even brought and presented charts and facts similar to those I just posted.

Resolution to Reaffirm Traditional Republican Values

Whereas, a Republican majority exists in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate and that a Republican President is seated in the White House and therefore it should be apparent that those Republicans, at this time, are significantly responsible for the legislation that is passed and signed into law.

Whereas, the Republican Party is traditionally the party of limited government, for reducing the size of government, and for fiscal responsibility.

Whereas, the Republican Party platform espouses these ideals of limited government and specifically states the special calling of the Republican Party, namely “to advance the founding principles of freedom and limited government.”

Whereas, President Ronald Reagan’s legacy includes his cutting of nondefense discretionary spending by around 13.5% in his first 3 years in office yet the current administration and the Republican-controlled Congress has increased nondefense discretionary spending by approximately 20% in the last 3 years.

Whereas, in the last two years the Federal Budget – presided over by the Republican-controlled Congress and our Republican President – has expanded by approximately 27%, the bulk of the expansion being discretionary spending, which is a faster rate of growth than any similar period since the Johnson Administration.

Whereas, the Republican-controlled Congress passed and the Republican President recently signed into law legislation providing for the largest expansion of a Federal entitlement program since the Johnson Administration.

Whereas, the latest Omnibus Spending Bill contained record levels of pork and unnecessary spending unbecoming of a Congress controlled by a political party who claims to be for limited government, less spending, and fiscal responsibility.

Whereas, the aforementioned demonstrated trends in expanding government, increasing spending, and tolerating pork in the budget are not consistent with traditional Republican principles.

Be it resolved that the Cochise County Republican Committee reaffirms their commitment to the traditional Republican principles of freedom, limited government, fiscal responsibility, and lower spending and affirms that the government that governs least, governs best.

Be it resolved that the Cochise County Republican Committee calls upon Republicans in the House of Representatives, and in the Senate, and upon President George W. Bush to remember these traditional Republican principles and to consistently uphold them when drafting, sponsoring, or voting upon legislation or when signing legislation into law.

What is a conservative Republican to do??
75 posted on 05/10/2005 5:10:14 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: RWR8189

Seems like just yesterday that the cap was raised above $6T. What's a few trillion dollars between old friends?


76 posted on 05/10/2005 5:10:26 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Ignatius J Reilly
I'll tell you some of these political equations are solvable but others are truly mind boggling.
77 posted on 05/10/2005 5:15:45 PM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: hubbubhubbub
Get some guns and some gold and wait for the fireworks

It will not be long now. All we need is for another Rosa Parks to say "no" and this whole pile of fertilizer can go up fast!
78 posted on 05/10/2005 5:17:20 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Spiff
Whereas that was a superb bit of writing on you part and the members of your local party rejected it, let it be resolved they are idiots.

Seriously man, excellent resolution. It saddens me to think that your folk didn't go for it, I assume because it cast a negative light on the current Admin and congress and could be considered party infighting. Sometimes though it better to stand up and stand apart than go with status quo.. Good job

Keep up the good fight!!
79 posted on 05/10/2005 5:18:35 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: Spiff
Hard to imagine something like that would be voted down.
80 posted on 05/10/2005 5:18:41 PM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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