Posted on 05/06/2005 10:24:23 AM PDT by Cool Chick
“Kingdom of Heaven”: Bin Laden’s Slanted Crusade Movie May 5, 2005 By Debbie Schlussel
Mark Twain said, “History tells us that the truth is not hard to kill, but a lie told well is immortal.”
“Kingdom of Heaven,” Ridley Scott’s extremely boring movie version of the Crusades, is Twain’s words in action. Scott is serial killer of truth—giving immortality to 1,000 lies—in this propaganda film.
The wannabe-epic is being panned for its lack of accuracy by a host of Islam experts, like Robert Spencer. Crusades expert Jonathan Riley-Smith says it’s basically “Osama bin Laden’s version of History.”
But the folks at HAMAS-front group CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) and ADC (American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee) just love “Kingdom.” That speaks volumes, since both groups never met an Islamic terrorist group they didn’t like.
Perhaps Scott is doing penance for having the chutzpah to make “Black Hawk Down,” about which they still whine incessantly.
But one needn’t be versed in the history of the Crusades to see that this Riefenstahl-esque drama is agenda-laden fiction.
Here’s the Cliff’s Notes version:
Christian Crusaders are crass, violent murderers. They lie, sleep around with multiple women, and father multiple illegitimate, abandoned children. They are stupid, foolish, power-hungry, and vengeful. They are boors warring for land, not principles, and kill fellow Christians—even priests—over nothing.
Muslims, especially Saladin, are honorable, devout, decent, peaceful people. They just want to be left alone and only attack when attacked upon. They are wise, honest, kind, generous, and even offer Christians safe passage.
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Islam looks at people like you as court jesters. Buffoons who are too "clever" to declare their self interests. Only a fool acts as though he has no dog in this fight of Islam vs the West.
Islam's creation of the Jihadist war predates the Crusades. The site "American Thinker" has a well researched history and a link is posted in this thread. The Muslims and Saladin were brutal tyrants and murderers. The Crusaders only incorporated the concept of crusade into Christianity after the armies of Saladin laid waste to many and sowed misery in their path. Crusading is the mirror of Jihad in ideology and practice.
Read the article and tell me if you might disagree.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4467
"Islam looks at people like you as court jesters."
Says the guy who's entertained me in this very thread!
History looks at people like you as ostriches, for keeping one's head in the sand, rather than face fact. Facing historical fact does NOT invalidate what's going on today.
Fact: I hate Islime. Christianity may have its problems but, with the exception of N. Ireland and a few nutcases like Eric Rudolph, Christianity doesn't preach killing of others. Islime is still 1000 years behind Fred Flintstone, much less the West. It's not coincidental that the greatest Mooslime contribution to the West is the number 0. It's very fitting.
STILL, none of this erases the atrocities both sides were guilty of in the Crusades, which were resounding military failures for Christianity (except for the 1st one). Why are you in denial over something that happened 1000 years ago?
I think it is fairly clear historically that Crusade borrowed from Jihad almost exactly as a religeous doctrine. It is a historical fact that Jihad predated Crusade and that it was the teacher to the Christians.
Having said that, Christianity learnt from its mistakes and outlawed Crusade. If Christians are guilty of atrocity, then they have long paid for their sins. Islam, on the other hand, has yet to remove Jihad from its ideology and does not look to be doing so any time in the near future.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4467 Try this one on for size. This fellow is scholarly enough
Actually, I don't know if Orlando is an atheist. He attended St. Edmunds School in his native Canterbury. He is also part Jewish, and he joined the Nichiren Buddhist organization Soka Gakkai Int. People hear things, but they aren't always true.
Because I like Orlando Bloom and loved "Gladiator" I was hoping this film would work out somehow. Too bad.
That's a cult, the Buddhist equivalent of Scientology and Kabbalah ala Madonna
Caliph al-Hakim... He put together quite a collection. Too bad the Berbers didn't appreciate all that he had collected. He was the same guy that the ordered destruction of synagogues and churches in Jerusalem in 1010. He didn't much like astrology either & astrologers had to promise to stop gazing at the stars.
In short, the European Crusaders were nasty and brutish,
I need no kind of demonstration of that, because in the context or our society I would have to see them that way. One of the reasons many "took the cross" was to atone for nasty things that they had done in their lives against "Christian brothers". Dying while trying to recapture the Holy Sepulchre for Christianity was going to buy them some kind of pass, which they felt they needed.
as demonstrated by their massacre of both Christian and Jewish civilians at Jerusalem in 1099
They massacred the Jews & Muslims there. The Christians had been expelled before the siege. Sacking Jerusalem after it fell was no kind of exception during those times.
and their sack of Christian Constantinople in 1214.
The schism between East & West was like an ugly divorce. Both sides think that they should own the house & want the other party out. You have any kind of problem with anything the Turks did to Constantinople after they got their hands on it?
The whole Crusades idea started with the Eastern Church asking the Western Church for help. "Christians are being oppressed and attacked; churches and holy places are being defiled. Jerusalem is groaning under the Saracen yoke. The Holy Sepulchre is in Moslem hands and has been turned into a mosque. Pilgrims are harassed and even prevented from access to the Holy Land."
the religion itself was hardly the death cult that it has become today
When do you think the "death cult that it has become today" began?
At that time, Islam was in fact a most tolerant and enlightened religion, and Muslim civilization, which was far advanced over that of western Europe, stretched from Moorish Spain to India
I'm sure they gained that much territory without ever once forcing any of the people to convert to their religion. The religion was advanced to that wide range, just on the beauty & wonder of it's wonderful principles & teachings. /sarcasm
Did he get into anything about why the Byzantine Empire was declining?
Michael Medved said he's going to review "Kingdom of Heaven" this hour.
And it was because they had overrun Asia Minor that the Byzantines asked Pope Urban for aid in the first place.
Somehow Ridley Scott skips over that part.
Good thing the Muslim masters didn't see the tiny little crosses hidden in the decorations of the buildings built in "their" cities.
Yes, they sure do, except for the Lord of the Rings Trilogy--though I am sure Peter Jackson did not mean it to come off that way.
When Aragorn said we will stand together against this evil, "MEN OF THE WEST", I stood up in the theater and said, "That's George Bush!" (then dodged brickbats and popcorn!
This makes me bloody sick. We have watched Islamic barbarians hack through the throats of innocent peoples blow up babies, bayonette children for asking for water, innocent office workers leaping to their deaths, it goes on and on. In THIS CENTURY, IN THIS MILLENIUM!
Why? Why? Why whitewash these monsters? Look how they treat their own people, especially the women? Any scenes of stoning in this moving? I doubt it, but you can find the pictures right on the internet.
I was hoping for a fair treatment of the Crusades, showing the wrong on all sides. I should have known better.
let me know what he thinks
Rambam never converted to Islam. In fact, his family fled both Cordova and Fez to escaped conversion or death, and his teacher was put to death for refusing to convert.
Could you post a link?
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