Posted on 05/06/2005 5:36:10 AM PDT by MadIvan
You mistake the traditions that has kept the nations of the UK together and strong, as being anti-democratic, when that Conservative tradition promoted freedom through stability.
You said you have more freedom of speech. So what can you say that I cannot?
As for the Cuban point. So no US citizens would like to go to Cuba. Your point seems a bit Leninist to me. It would be great to see what you would say if Britain refused it's citizens to travel to certain countries while US citizens could go anywhere. I can hear the cry of "unfree, unfree"! :)
Definitely I second that!
I don't know what will become of FR if the long-timers keep leaving and the forum is left to the very people you describe, Ivan. The moderators need to throw the people off who wield personal attacks, insults and obscenities. There has been entirely too much of that in the past 2-3 years with the new crop (but not ALL) of FReepers signing up.
Hopefully you will reconsider and help make FR better. If not, I understand and wish you the very best.
Well said
Pray for W and Both Our Troops
Yam, this thread is about obnoxious posters making stupid insults and you're looking like a posterboy for that subclass. Cut out the crap, if you can't discuss things civilly you need to back off.
We have chosen these policies through our representatives. We can change them whenever we please.
2. What can you say that I cannot?
I can say anything I want so long as I am not inciting others to commit crimes. Your speech on many subjects (homosexuality, Naziism, Jews, Islam, etc.) is proscribed by your government without you having any legal recourse.
3. Why is it ok to boycott one totalitarian nation but wrong to boycott another?
This is where being sober helps. I never said it was wrong to boycott anyone. Boycott whomever you please! Even us! Jeeze!
I just stepped away from the computer for a while - I had to cook dinner and watch the final results.
I'm overwhelmed by what I'm seeing on my return...OK, I'll stay. :)
Regards, Ivan
Good :-)
All I can say is "wow" and "blimey"...I just came back to a huge swathe of messages...I had no idea. My sincere thanks to everyone.
I will, on reflection, stay. I am very grateful for all your kindness.
Regards, Ivan
Well so can Britons with Gun Control. As you say, "We have chosen these policies through our representatives. We can change them whenever we please" The majority want it and if they change their minds they can. No-one is forcing us.
2. What can you say that I cannot? I can say anything I want so long as I am not inciting others to commit crimes. Your speech on many subjects (homosexuality, Naziism, Jews, Islam, etc.) is proscribed by your government without you having any legal recourse.
I can say ANYTHING I want so long as I am not inciting others to commit crimes, so what is your problem? Do you even know what you are talking about?
3. Why is it ok to boycott one totalitarian nation but wrong to boycott another? This is where being sober helps. I never said it was wrong to boycott anyone. Boycott whomever you please! Even us! Jeeze!
You said it was wrong of me to criticise American policy on Cuba as why should Americans help a Government that helps keep people unfree. Well wise up buddy. You buy and use commodities from unfree people all the time so stop being all self-righteous.
Just don't get used to it. :^)
Jeeze, Louise! Put us all through the wringer next time, why don't you?!:D
Welcome back and let's have no more of that nonsense, it's too exhausting.:)
The "abuse" button is going to get a workout from me as well. I frankly have had it with disruptors pretending to be conservatives.
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you! Good news to wrap the week up with!
You have that right -- couldn't believe my eyes when I read the start to a post and yet people like that want us to believe they are conservatives -- give me a break!
Now I know you are delusional
Some U.S. citizens want to travel to Cuba. Some do so legally, some do so illegally. The Cuba embargo is not unanimously supported here, which should be no surprise. There are occasionally discussions in Congress of ending the embargo. Pres. Bush gave a fantastic speech on the subject, saying that the Cubans themselves could end the embargo instantly by holding one free election. Of course, an embargo is a collective act. If everyone decides for themselves, then it is not an embargo. I am not saying that there are no good arguments for ending the embargo. My point is that an embargo implemented by freely-elected representatives of the people is not "unfree" or "Leninist." It is just a public policy of a democratic state. Business as usual.
Thank you for staying Ivan we all appreciate it
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