Posted on 05/05/2005 10:23:39 AM PDT by sergey1973
PING !
After June 22 the British commies went from somabulent to frenetic demanding a 2nd Front NOW!
Patton was right....we should have just kept rolling over those bolshevik b*stards!
French forces fought throughout the Italian campeign until 1944 and their diversion to Anvil which was renamed Dragoon.
German forces included allies: Italy, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Croatia, Slovania, Slovakia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and Finland. SS (loyal to Hitler period) had units composed of all of the above, plus: Albanians, Bosnians, French, British, Belgian (per capita more then even Germans), Dutch, Ukranians and Greeks.
Very interesting article...
At least the US caught on by 1948. Who knows what the world would be like if we didn't?
Ethnic Russians were fighting for German Army too--Vlasov Army (Russian Liberation National Army) for example. It was a terrible period.
Reaching Moscow is hardly a fringe of Russia. Further, Kharkov and Lughansk were both Russian built cities, as was all of the Crimea. Belograd, Pskov are also major cities, were taken. Stalingrad was not a major city, it became a major focal point. This guy needs to get some geography lessons.
Physically impossible: 1. we didn't have the backing of our allies 2. we had a supply line of the Atlantic and half of Europe while the Soviets' supply lines would have shrunk 3. the Soviets had more divisions (about 1.5 as many), 4. they had air parity and armor domination 5. we were still at war with Japan 6. after dropping the second bomb on Japan we didn't have another bomb for 4 years. US has very little Uranium.
True, they were, but they were part of the Wehremacht, primarly as auxilleries. I'm talking about the SS who swore loyalty to Hitler and the National Socialists.
"Reaching Moscow is hardly a fringe of Russia. Further, Kharkov and Lughansk were both Russian built cities, as was all of the Crimea. Belograd, Pskov are also major cities, were taken. Stalingrad was not a major city, it became a major focal point. This guy needs to get some geography lessons."
Well--he got this wrong on Geography of the War, I agree. Anyway, he is learning geography then -:)))
Problem is: if a second front didn't open up, there was fear that once the Germans were pushed back enough, Stalin would sue for peace. He actually put feelers out to OKW in 1943 after Stalingrad.
Ethnic Russians were fighting for German Army too--Vlasov Army (Russian Liberation National Army) for example. It was a terrible period. ===
Valsov army was never seen on front. They fought only once. In 1945 BUT.. against german troops occupied PRAGUE, capital of Chekhia. THey liberated Praha of german troops.
It is hardly "fighting for germans" as you said.
You have to learn facts Serge not anti-commie propaganda of later decade. Propaganda is propaganda even anti-commied.
So historians have a problem. Somehow they must find a way of describing a complicated war in which the combined forces of western democracy and Stalinist tyranny triumphed over the Axis. They must give pride of place to the role which the Soviet Union played in the military defeat of Germany, just as the US shouldered the main burden of the war against Japan. ==
Exactly. We can explain what heppened as uneasy allience. But anyway what done is for good.
"Valsov army was never seen on front. They fought only once. In 1945 BUT.. against german troops occupied PRAGUE, capital of Chekhia. THey liberated Praha of german troops. "
I forgot to tell about it--my fault. Actually I found another article about Vlasov soldiers role in Liberating Prague. I'll post it on Free Republic.
Great picture, but the article of Norman Davies is not revisionism--it's generally very good account of WWII outcomes. He is very balanced and mostly truthful with facts, except a Geographic blunder of Describing Moscow and Leningrad as "Fringe of Russia". Jb6 pointed it out.
"I wonder if the soldier on the right wasn't shot dead or sent to Siberia soon after having taken this picture."
lizol--taking pictures with American soldiers at the end of WWII was a perfect propaganda for USSR. It's not something to get shot for. There were plenty of other reasons to be sent to GULAG or get shot (i.e. being POW in Germany and Nazi Occupied Europe, being surrounded by enemy troops and break through the encirclement). There was no need to have another reason to get shot or sent to GULAG for taking pictures with Americans.
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