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Judge Throws Out England's Guilty Plea
AP ^ | 4 May 05 | T.A. BADGER, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 05/04/2005 2:52:46 PM PDT by Neets

FORT HOOD, Texas - A military judge Wednesday threw out Pfc. Lynndie England's guilty plea to abusing Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison, saying he was not convinced the Army reservist who appeared in some of the most notorious photos in the scandal knew her actions were wrong at the time.

The mistrial marks a stunning turn in the case and sends it back to square one.

The case will be reviewed again by Fort Hood's commander, Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, who will decide what charges, if any, England should face. If she is charged, the case would go back to a military equivalent of a grand jury hearing, an Article 32 proceeding, prosecution spokesman Capt. Cullen Sheppard said.

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1 posted on 05/04/2005 2:52:47 PM PDT by Neets
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To: Neets
Hmmm!
2 posted on 05/04/2005 2:55:42 PM PDT by lysie
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To: Neets

I hope this drags out until the end of Bushs term and Bush pardons all of them on his last day in office.


3 posted on 05/04/2005 2:57:51 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (Democrat or Communist? Is there a difference?)
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To: Neets
...he was not convinced the Army reservist...knew her actions were wrong at the time....

Oh? I didn't realize there was an insanity plea involved...

4 posted on 05/04/2005 2:58:19 PM PDT by lsee
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To: Neets

???


5 posted on 05/04/2005 2:58:47 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You would have to double your IQ to be stupid. " --zip)
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To: Neets
That is how the Watergate burglars were treated. The judge refused their guilty pleas. The trail is where the connection to the administration came out.
6 posted on 05/04/2005 2:59:06 PM PDT by sefarkas (why vote Democrat-lite???)
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To: Neets
Good. She was punished as a scapegoat for being dumb, ugly and from west virginia. If any real crimes were committed, and that is a big "if," perhaps they will look at her superiors or George Tenet's CIA pukes who supposedly encouraged the MPs to do these things.
7 posted on 05/04/2005 3:03:59 PM PDT by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: Neets
he was not convinced the Army reservist who appeared in some of the most notorious photos in the scandal knew her actions were wrong at the time.She should not be charged until the Gen. has been investigated and the upper ranks drug through the mill.

In the Marines the people in charge would have known what was going on.

The army knew or should have known what was going on.

What she did is bad, but in the Military things work different. Thats my opinion.

After the Gen and the others who were in charge give their statements, then if this soldier did wrong, then try her.

And they should have to make statements that are made public.

8 posted on 05/04/2005 3:06:20 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Neets

outstanding!


9 posted on 05/04/2005 3:08:19 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: Neets
she ran into a rational judge apparently.

anyone who saw the pics. knows she could not be all there. what was happening there was not organized abuse in any fashion, as the command from above might have mentioned "no pictures"... just proves all the nuts are not on the trees, nothing more.

give the girl a dishonorable discharge and accept an assault plea; man i know people who *pay* for that sort of treatment.

as a rule, i never have people take pictures of me whilst i walk the wife around the house on a leash...
10 posted on 05/04/2005 3:12:06 PM PDT by mmercier
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"You can't have a one-person conspiracy," the judge said before he declared the mistrial and dismissed the sentencing jury.

Tell that to the Warren Commission.

11 posted on 05/04/2005 3:18:26 PM PDT by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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After everyone else is tried, try her again.


12 posted on 05/04/2005 3:20:45 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: Neets

There was a big drop in terrorist activity after these "panties on the head" photos were published.

This did a wonderful job of deflating the egos of would be terrorists with visions of sugery, virginal group pedophilia dancing in their heads.

These dreams faded quick once displaced with the prospects of being jailed by manish looking female grunts.

I say get some more of these terrorists and drag their naked butts thru the streets - conquer their heads and the body follows.

We listened to the do gooders and delayed the bombing of Haiphong for 7 years - just think the lives that would have been saved and the battles we would have won.

F the do-gooders


13 posted on 05/04/2005 3:22:55 PM PDT by spanalot
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You got it right. This whole thing has been a waste of time. I don't believe she did anything that wasn't sanctioned by a higher up. There may be a time and a place for a soldier to refuse an order but unless the military says now that's what she should have done then, where's their case?


14 posted on 05/04/2005 3:34:49 PM PDT by Sabatier
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To: Neets

What she and others did embarrassed me and the country at large. In fact, it provided one of the biggest 'black eye's" to American efforts in recent years. I have not lost sight of the fact that the prisoners in question were/are the low life scum America is fighting. They have no claim on decency! But I do. And so do you. This girl's trial will go on, and it should go on.


15 posted on 05/04/2005 3:47:00 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: Continental Soldier

I echo those sentiments.

I said it in the beginning and I'll say it again.

We are better than they are.

In my 10 years in the Army, I don't ever remember being taught this type of behavior brings great distinction and credit upon the unit, and the United States Army.


16 posted on 05/04/2005 3:57:09 PM PDT by Neets
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>>> I don't believe she did anything that wasn't sanctioned by a higher up.

are you saying that the command structure sanctioned these tactics, or just her immediate superior, (an enlisted man, not an officer) which was apparently the case...?

really think any officer would order this and let a bunch of freaks photograph mistreatment and then pass the photos around...?

the fault with the "higher up" i assure you was one of lack of control, concern and supervision of subordinates. things would have worked out differently if any officer discovered what was happening before seeing his personnel engaged in these activities on cnn.

this was a freak show, and the same s&m activities was engaged in by the same personnel long before they ever saw duty in iraq. there are pictures to prove that too if i am not mistaken.

i refuse to believe any officer is that stupid, especially given the nitwits concerned in the abuse.
17 posted on 05/04/2005 5:51:54 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: Neets

Somebody needs to be disciplined for recruiting a person who couldn't tell right from wrong, and who is functioning on a lower intellectual level than her fellow soldiers.

Something had to be faked on her school records and history to allow this to happen.


18 posted on 05/04/2005 5:59:32 PM PDT by edweena
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To: spanalot
There was a big drop in terrorist activity after these "panties on the head" photos were published.

Actually these incidents signalled the start of American hostages being beheaded.

19 posted on 05/04/2005 7:25:34 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (We shall yet make this Free Republic into Moral Nation -= after The Rev.. Elmer Gantry)
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To: takenoprisoner; All
outstanding!

Don't get too pleased, Leasher Slut Lynndie is facing hard time.

Another report

Lynndie England's Abu Ghraib plea bargain thrown out
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
05 May 2005


A military judge threw out a guilty plea by Lynndie England, a key figure in the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal, after new evidence in her trial indicated she considered herself innocent.

The decision by Judge Colonel James Pohl yesterday throws into doubt the fate of the 22-year-old reservist private, made infamous by photos showing her pointing at a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners and holding one naked inmate on a dog-leash.

The turning point was testimony by Private Charles Graner that she was following orders and that the photos were intended for a training manual.

"The defence cannot have it both ways," an exasperated Judge Pohl declared, saying that Pte England's guilty plea, and her admission that she knew what she was doing was wrong and solely for the amusement of other guards, could not be reconciled with the claim of Graner and other defence witnesses.

Graner, believed to be the father of Pte England's recently born child, is serving a 10-year term for his part in the abuse.

Judge Pohl said he would enter a not-guilty plea for Pte England. The trial will now have to start from scratch. Under the earlier plea bargain, she admitted guilt on seven of nine counts.
Get it? The judge declared the oxgen-deprived brains putting forward Graner's testimony in defence was tantamont to admission that England's guilty plea was insincere. So insincere that rejecting the defence argument and giving her an 11 year sentence would have been insufficisent,

She's going down, again (but this time, not so much fun)

20 posted on 05/04/2005 7:42:36 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (We shall yet make this Free Republic into Moral Nation -= after The Rev.. Elmer Gantry)
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