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Murder suspect living in U.S. illegally, police say
The Journal News ^ | 05/04/05 | Steve Lieberman

Posted on 05/04/2005 10:36:52 AM PDT by chris1

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To: brytlea

I agree with you to a degree, but this problem has grown so out of control that something needs to be done now or we are going the way of Rome very quickly.

I suggest you read Gibbons' "The Fall of the Roman Empire"

The similarities are scary!


21 posted on 05/04/2005 10:57:27 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: chris1


Of course not, Murder is murder.


But the "We gotta git rid of dem der Mexicans"/Economic Nitwits on here are just downright boring to me anymore.


Sincerely,
Bush Immigration Policy Supporter and Well-Educated Economist.



22 posted on 05/04/2005 10:57:40 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: chris1
I hear you, Chris1.

The Republican party (with a very few exceptions, duly noted) wants an open door policy with essentially no enforcement of the immigration laws. The demonrats want an open door policy with a couple express lanes thrown in.

I do not know how I will vote in 2006 or 2008. But I am not happy about the loss of control of our borders. There are third parties that oppose this nonsense, but third parties are more a protest vote than anything else. Do I vote third party and risk a 'rat? Or do I continue to reward those who keep the border open to these criminals?

And it may get worse - Mexico is getting ready to elect a president, and it just might be Obrador that wins. If so, the present migration will be as nothing to what will flood over the border.

We should be concerned. Actually, we should be melting the phone lines with demands that our elected representatives fix the problem. Sadly, that doesn't appear to be happening.

23 posted on 05/04/2005 10:58:27 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: Coleus; firebrand

ping


24 posted on 05/04/2005 10:58:50 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: chris1

Yeah, I agree. I just wish that we would deport them and THEN CLOSE THE DARNED BORDER! While I think the public is waking up to the problem, I think we are in a race against time.
I have been watching this problem grow since back in the 80s when I lived in Midland TX. We had lots of women illegally coming across the border to have their American babies at our very good hospital. I was told this by a friend who was a labor and delivery nurse. It was not even on the radar screen in the media at the time.
susie


25 posted on 05/04/2005 11:00:32 AM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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To: chris1
"There is a rumble growing louder and louder that is going to erupt is these politicians, cops, and law enforcement refuse to do their jobs!"

I agree 100 percent. I have noticed one thing that seems to be a very common trait among those that come to these threads and tell us how good Illegals are for us.

  1. They use the race card quite often
  2. They accuse Anti-Illegal posters of being in league with the devil
  3. 99.9 percent of the time they are not even American citizens

26 posted on 05/04/2005 11:00:54 AM PDT by JustAnAmerican (Being Independent means never having to say you're Partisan)
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To: Josh in PA

If they would have taken care if this guy when he was charged with assault in 2002 this woman would never have been murdered.

Therefore, the lax immigration policy directly contributed to her death.


27 posted on 05/04/2005 11:01:07 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: chris1

Flash bunny was teasing you.


28 posted on 05/04/2005 11:01:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: chris1

I was referring to the overwhelming effort from people on here to lynch Hispanics.

I don't approve of illegal immigration, but I do improve dramatically increasing the quotas of legal immigrants. It's an absolute necessary.

Would it make you feel better if the woman was killed by a legal immigrant from say.. India?


29 posted on 05/04/2005 11:05:11 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: neutrino; chris1
I hear you both, and agree.

Before 9-11, illegal aliens were a societal problem, and an economic load, and a few other things that may have been arguable.

Post 9-11, there are, in addition to all that, an intolerable security breech.

We simply can't take the risk, or bear the cost, of choosing to look the other way.

30 posted on 05/04/2005 11:06:04 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: THEUPMAN

>>>>Coloron Painting, a Park Ridge, N.J.-based company


31 posted on 05/04/2005 11:10:22 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Josh in PA

Illegals are illegals. Legal immigrants are sponsored by two people who sign personal gurantees. Indian and Asian immigrants rarely come here to mooch off the system, it is a fact of life. Plus, they do not take up about 25% of the prison population.


32 posted on 05/04/2005 11:12:03 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: Josh in PA

I'm bored with the loyal Republican argument that illiterate, non-English speaking illegal immigrants are a net gain to our economy.


33 posted on 05/04/2005 11:12:14 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams
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To: THEUPMAN

>>>>Coloron Painting, a Park Ridge, N.J.-based company

I just searched the NJ business DB, https://accessnet.state.nj.us

No Color On Painting and no Coloron Painting.

There is an entire network like the underground railroad. There are safe houses and phony businesses. They pay no taxes and corrupt people get rich off of the illegals.

You just can't shut the boarders without investigating and breaking the corrupt network.


34 posted on 05/04/2005 11:12:37 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: brytlea


>>>>I have been watching this problem grow since back in the 80s when I lived in Midland TX.

Would be a hoot to look over the votes that got Clinton in 2 terms to see how many voters were illegals.

>>>>We had lots of women illegally coming across the border to have their American babies at our very good hospital.

Saudi women did that in the 70s too.


35 posted on 05/04/2005 11:20:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: chris1
File this under 'who cares what happens in California'

Came to Rockland from California within the past three years.

36 posted on 05/04/2005 11:23:43 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: teawithmisswilliams


You can choose to get bored with it all you want. It's a fact of life.

If you really want to attack the issue efficiently, attack the social programs that the illegal immigrants are using, i.e. Democratic Party.

Illegal Immigrants are not the problem. Big Goverment Social Programs are.

Also, you don't have the slightest whiff of a clue, of what would happen to our lives if every illegal immigrant were thrown out of the country today.


37 posted on 05/04/2005 11:23:55 AM PDT by Josh in PA
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To: chris1
Coloron's owner drove up at 9:20 a.m. and when he didn't see Herrera, he power-washed the porch and left, taking the keys to the company truck in the Nagles' driveway.

Does anyone else think this is a little odd?

38 posted on 05/04/2005 11:23:55 AM PDT by Attillathehon
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To: Josh in PA
Would it make you feel better if the woman was killed by a legal immigrant from say.. India?

No, but that would make the tragedy much more of a curiosity.

39 posted on 05/04/2005 11:25:02 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: THEUPMAN

"I hope some slick fast talking LAWYER gets a hint and goes for the EMPLOYERES ... one good hit and the bottom would fall out for the illegal market."

Along those lines, as the feds are doing nothing, state legislatures can pass laws mandating that general liability insurance contracts must exclude coverage for the negligence of employed illegal aliens, therby making them an uninsurable risk. States that failed to follow suit would suffer increases in their illegal population, which would put even more pressure on the government "to do something".


40 posted on 05/04/2005 11:29:09 AM PDT by KeyesPlease
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