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Methodists to Reinstate Defrocked Minister
Associated Press ^ | Friday, Apr. 29, 2005 - 11:51 AM | FOSTER KLUG Associated Press Writer

Posted on 04/29/2005 9:06:16 AM PDT by RobertP

Methodists to Reinstate Defrocked Minister Updated: Friday, Apr. 29, 2005 - 11:51 AM

By FOSTER KLUG Associated Press Writer

LINTHICUM, Md. (AP) - The United Methodist Church reversed itself Friday, deciding to reinstate a lesbian minister who was defrocked after revealing her relationship with another woman.

A church panel voted 8 to 1 to set aside an earlier decision to defrock Irene "Beth" Stroud for violating the church's ban on openly gay clergy.

The Philadelphia minister said she was relieved by the ruling and hopes the church will become more inclusive to people regardless of sexual orientation.

After Stroud disclosed the relationship to her congregation two years ago, the church defrocked her, meaning that she could no longer serve communion or baptize anyone. She kept the title of associate minister and worked in a lay capacity at the First United Methodist Church of Germantown in Philadelphia.

"The church is not free to disregard the standards of justice and inclusiveness that are preached by Jesus Christ ... and are a part of church law," Stroud said after church authorities read their decision at a hotel.

"The ruling gives us hope that the United Methodist Church has the resources to do justice," she said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: defrocked; homosexual; homosexualagenda; lesbian; methodist; methodistchurch; religiousleft; satanshandmaiden; umc
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To: d-back
The reason why the UMC story is so appalling is that your church is approving open homosexual behavior by your ministers.

If you read the official church doctrine, homosexuality is specifically condemned. Your logic is tantamount to blaming the US for the actions of the 9th appeals court. If they outlaw the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance, we should all move to Mexico. Jumping to the Catholic Church is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

161 posted on 05/02/2005 7:35:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: TaxRelief

Thank you. I'll check them out.


162 posted on 05/02/2005 8:15:11 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: d-back

Thank you for your kind thoughts, but I believe I will stay true to my pledge to honor the United Methodist Church. Besides all that incense and statue worship just turns me off.


163 posted on 05/02/2005 8:32:12 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Nov3
de facto it definitely is.

As in de facto approval by Cardinal Law and others in Catholic leadership's apparent approval of homosexual priests.

164 posted on 05/02/2005 8:37:58 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: Nov3
Slither back under whatever rock you slithered out from.

What a fine Christian thought from an obviously fine,(sic) Christian man.

Do the same my brother.

165 posted on 05/02/2005 8:39:09 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
The Gospel of Saint Luke: There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias . . . And it came to pass, that while [Zacharias] executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course, according to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense. And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. . .

That crazy Zacharias, father of John the Baptist! What was he doing with all that incense while worshipping God? What frippery!

The Book of Revelation: And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

And those Angels, worshipping God with INCENSE! That's so, so. . CATHOLIC of them!

By the way, we Catholics don't "worship" statues, a point that is addressed at least once a day on Free Republic. Peace be with you anyway, Axel, but please try to know what you're talking about when it comes to the Catholic Church. It's apparent you don't.

166 posted on 05/02/2005 9:09:00 AM PDT by d-back
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To: d-back

Amen!!!


167 posted on 05/02/2005 9:29:43 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Democratic Party -- Wimps without ideas whose only issue is to oppose Republicans)
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To: One Proud Dad

agreed. simple and well put.


168 posted on 05/02/2005 9:32:04 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: mikeus_maximus
haha...i saw that obvious spelling error and dismissed it...but now seeing your followup comment, I cant help but lol.
169 posted on 05/02/2005 9:34:43 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: d-back
I am properly told off, and I apologize for replying in the manner of some of the cheap shots that I have seen taken at the United Methodist Church on this thread.

I will refer you to post number 161 to you, which I think is a most accurate statement.

If you read the official church doctrine ( of the United Methodist Church), homosexuality is specifically condemned. Your logic is tantamount to blaming the US for the actions of the 9th appeals court. If they outlaw the word God in the Pledge of Allegiance, we should all move to Mexico. Jumping to the Catholic Church is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

170 posted on 05/02/2005 11:44:10 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Apology accepted.

Good luck and may God bless you in your personal fight to save the UMC from the apostates.

171 posted on 05/02/2005 12:06:12 PM PDT by d-back
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To: d-back
I appreciate your comments, however I can state with virtual certainty that the actions of this one committe from one of our many different jurisdictions will spread to all of the UMC. I certainly know that it will not spread to my church, or my brother's, my brother being a UMC minister.

As has been previously pointed out, the Methodist Church does not have an official head, such as a Pope. The closest thing Methodists have to a sole leader is our Book of Discipline. And that book of discipline specifically condems homosexual behavior.

That being said, I would like to offer an extended apology as per my cheap shot comments. I am married to a Catholic girl and about twice a month we attend Mass and the other two weeks of the month we attend the Methodist Church. So I certainly knew better, than my comments would indicate.

172 posted on 05/02/2005 12:31:28 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: d-back

Correction. I need to learn to proof read, I meant to say that the actions will NOT spread any further.


173 posted on 05/02/2005 12:33:08 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
As in de facto approval by Cardinal Law

That part I can't disagree with. Law is more guilty than Geoghan IMHO. As to the rest it is tripe.

174 posted on 05/02/2005 12:35:48 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: RobertP; All

Reinstatement does not reverse church's standards, bishops say

May. 2, 2005


WASHINGTON (UMNS) - A decision to reinstate a United Methodist pastor
who lost her clergy credentials in December under church law concerning
the practice of homosexuality "does not in any way reverse the standards
in our Book of Discipline," according to the denomination's Council of
Bishops.

In a statement issued May 1 as the bishops gathered for their spring
meeting in Washington, the council's executive committee said the April
29 decision of the Northeastern Jurisdictional Committee on Appeals was
based on legal error, not lack of evidence. "This means that the reasons
for the guilty verdict were not questioned, but the case was reversed on
two questions of legal process," the statement said.

Irene Elizabeth "Beth" Stroud of Philadelphia appealed her case after a
trial court of the United Methodist Church's Eastern Pennsylvania Annual
(regional) Conference found her guilty on Dec. 2 of violating church
law, which forbids the ordination and appointment of "self-avowed
practicing homosexuals."

Stroud continued to work at First United Methodist Church of Germantown
in Philadelphia as a lay person when the court stripped her of her
clergy credentials. She had informed her congregation in April 2003 that
she was living in a committed relationship with another woman,

In its ruling, the appeals committee set aside both the verdict and
penalty, which automatically reinstated Stroud to clergy status. It
upheld part of the trial court's finding but overturned the verdict in
an 8-1 vote, citing legal errors in the trial.

The Eastern Pennsylvania Conference has 30 days to file an appeal of the
committee's decision to the Judicial Council, the denomination's supreme
court.

In an April 29 statement Bishop Marcus Matthews, who presides over the
conference, said, "We will now take time to thoroughly and thoughtfully
digest the Committee on Appeals decision and will take into
consideration United Methodist Church law and Judicial Council rulings
as we consider our options and make a decision on how to proceed."

The Council of Bishops encouraged church members "to be patient with the
important legal processes involved" and pointed out that the appeal
process "is an important part of our Book of Discipline."

The full statement follows:

As the Council of Bishops gathers today in Washington, DC for our spring
meeting, we will continue to focus on "Making disciples of Jesus Christ
for the transformation of the world." Most of our meeting will center
upon sharpening this focus, including sharing reports from each bishop's
Area about our progress in making disciples.

However, the announcement of the results of the hearing by the
Northeastern Jurisdictional Committee on Appeals in the Beth Stroud case
has been received, and we as the Executive Committee of the Council of
Bishops want to encourage all United Methodists to be patient with the
important legal processes involved.

The Northeastern Jurisdiction Committee on Appeals has reversed the
Stroud trial decision based upon some technicalities. It also found
that "the evidence in support of the charge was overwhelming and would
be sustained in the absence of a legal error." The committee concluded
that "legal error vitiates the verdict on two independent grounds." This
means that the reasons for the guilty verdict were not questioned, but
the case was reversed on two questions of legal process. The Eastern
Pennsylvania Conference has thirty days to appeal this decision.

The decision of the Northeastern Jurisdiction Committee on Appeals does
not in any way reverse the standards in our Book of Discipline. In fact,
the appeal process is an important part of our Book of Discipline.

We as the Executive Committee of the Council, affirm our commitment to
uphold all of the provisions of our Book of Discipline, while inviting
everyone to join us in patience and prayer for a just and fair outcome.


175 posted on 05/03/2005 5:18:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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