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Posted on 04/26/2005 7:55:09 AM PDT by jan in Colorado
What steps should Western border agencies take to defend their homelands from harm by Islamists?
In the case of non-citizens, the answer is simple: Don't let Islamists in. Exclude not just potential terrorists but also anyone who supports the totalitarian goals of radical Islam. Just as civilized countries did not welcome fascists in the early 1940s (or communists a decade later), they need not welcome Islamists today.
But what about one's own citizens who cross the border? They could be leaving to fight for the Taliban or returning from a course on terrorism techniques. Or perhaps they studied with enemies of the West who incited them to sabotage or sedition. Clearly, the authorities should take steps to find out more about their activities, especially given the dangerous jihadi culture already in place in many Western countries, including Canada.
This question arose in late December 2004, after a three-day Islamist conference, "Reviving the Islamic Spirit," took place in Toronto. The event, boasting a host of high-profile Islamist speakers such as Bilal Philips, Zaid Shakir, Siraj Wahhaj, and Hamza Yusuf, alarmed the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), America's new border agency..
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"Sorry, twisting the words of someone who disagrees with you so that they are unrecognizable is a poor debating point and hardly advances your argument (which is weak enough)."
What argument ? I'm simply agreeing with you ...and you seemed to find them recognizable enough...
Perhaps you could elaborate on what your statement "And it's about time Jews stopped tolerating people who would gladly see them dead."
Just what does "stopped tolerating" mean ? perhaps you could replace those words in that sentance with a more specific call to action ?
>>>Love this border thread..its like old times!
Yes Ari, just like old times!
"...and like every other American Citizen, are grateful they don't have to meet YOUR criteria for 'shaping up.'"
Obviously, there's a huge gap between what the muslims in the US think and how they feel in Australia, but then I only have your word to go by...
PRESERVING THE ISLAMIC IDENTITY IN THE WEST. (SNIP)
"Finally there is a solution guaranteed to remove the risks, and that is to remove oneself from amongst the disbelievers.
It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that o f fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim land whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers..."
http://www.frontpagemag.com/GoPostal/commentdetail.asp?ID=12226&commentID=260388
Apparently, being an American citizen isn't of great importance to some people. Rights don't come with citizenship, but with police approval.
I think the phrase "stop tolerating" is clear within the context that I said it. Why should Jews put up with the lies, calumnies, and threats, both implied and outright, put forth by the islamic community in America (or anywhere else for that matter, but let's face it, they have little voice anywhere else these days, with the exception of their homeland, Israel)? For too long, they put up with this obvious call to jihad in silence.
As for a specific call to action? To what are you referring?
Nice try, RS
Jan, no better tonic than a good crusade!
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I think we went through this a while back - if you read just slightly under the rhetoric, the entire article was written by the cleric as he was losing control.
Why write it if you are winning ?
Why admit that your people are refugees, leaving a crappy place for a better one ?
Why admit that they are coming for a good education unless your own is so bad ?
The more articles like this that they think they have to write, the better we are doing.
In the article about Muslims discovering Australia I found this...
"Australia is one of the Western societies, and it has recently enacted laws enacted allowing men to marry men and women to marry women. The church officially registers them..."
This true ?
You are so right Ari!
I knew our Border thread would bring you out! LOL
"As for a specific call to action? To what are you referring?
Nice try, RS "
Thanks, maybe I can give you an example to help you understand -
" KIDS ! turn that damn music down ! Don't make me ( stop tolerating ) you ! "
ground ? pound ? tickle ?
That was an intersting thread.
Check this out:
... about time you showed up :-)
forget how to make a link that works ?
...you two still tag teaming? :)
From that link, it looks like it will be passports required, even when returning from Canada, by 2008. It's just what I was talking about...
To make a link use the HREF tag. The problem is, I'm not sure how to show you the syntax without the syntax actually being translated into a link.
You could try doing a leftclick/View/source in your browser of a web page that contains a link. You would see the untranslated syntax. Search for "HREF". That'll show you the syntax.
Of course the imams are losing control, muslim children go to school with Australian children and want to grow up and live normal lives like Aussis kids do, so the clerics have to threathen the parents. The life-blood of islam is literally running out the door with the children. New converts are psychopaths, prison inmates, or wannabe terrorist scum like Jack Roach, a migrant from Britain with an Indonesian wife living on welfare who was to set up an al Qaida cell in Oz, whose attempt to plant an explosive device at the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games was aborted due to 'not enough volunteers' - We do have the genuine article also - like the 'palestinian' youth who threatened to blow up our ASIO offices and has just been sentenced to spend a few years cooling his heels in an Aussie jail.
As for homosexual marriages being recognized by the church, that's a new one on me. I do have homosexual friends, two very nice young men who live in Cairns. To satisfy my curiousity, I will ask them if what the imam said was true...I'm far more inclined to believe what they tell me than what an imam might say, and that shouldn't surprise you.
The day I worry myself over anything that islam might disapprove of, I quit. Let them tidy up their own sh*t heap first.
>"The day I worry myself over anything that islam might disapprove of, I quit. Let them tidy up their own sh*t heap first."<
ROTFLM*O!
This does raise an excellent point in its own right: should we be openly rooting for the Muslim youth to be diverted and misdirected away from the intrinsic opressiveness of muhammadism into the mainstream of Western culture and society by the magnetic, yet somewhat perverse allure of achievement, and the wealth and materialism which can grow out of it, and travel further down the road of spiritual desolation that can overtake many...?
Or do we hope that somewhere along the line they will have a positively transforming encounter with an honest witness for Christ?
In my perception, it seems that the average Islamist parent would much rather their male children pursue the pleasures of the flesh (which can later apparently be justified away as part of their necessary 'taqiyyah') than to take Christ into their hearts which carries the penalty of death for the apostate Muslim and whomever "converted" them?
Their female children, on the other hand, are apparently quite disposable either way if they shame the family...
I think I have already long since earned the death sentence, because years ago, a girlfriend and I gave an NIV Bible to an Iranian girl (Flora) who was a fellow student at college. Some of Flor's Muslim male friends at college were openly critical of me for giving it, and her for keeping it, but this was back in the day when those little pr**ks knew to behave themselves in America, so despite the menacing glances and vaguely-worded threats, she kept it - and she read it!
How do I know? Because I met her again some 19 years later - no longer a Muslim, and no longer married to the rigid, emotionally abusive, and restrictive Iranian Muslim man she had been with - but a single Christian woman, working in the real estate business.
She's making a nice living, slender, well-dressed, and fabulously good-looking.
So there is hope for our culture and our religious examples to triumph in many of their lives, IMHO - but we better not lay aside our vigilance, nor our suspicions to bet the farm on it.
What was the operative phrase in the Reagan administration, after Gipperus Ronaldus Magnus succeeded in getting the Soviets' attention with his "Evil Empire" observation, and his unforgettable,"Ladies and gentlemen I'm pleased to announce...bombing begins in five minutes." comment - made "accidentally" (oh yeah, right!) on air just ahead of a scheduled radio address...
Oh yeah, now I remember, "Trust, but verify."
*Sigh! The world could use hearing some tough talk like that again...Personal friends of mine in Russia - including a former Soviet Admiral, Sergei Aleksandrovich (no kidding!) whose command was all the sub and frigate fleets in the Indian Ocean, a former Soviet fighter pilot, Kostya, and a former KGB assassin, Pavel (whose work was limited to domestic front targets in the USSR only) all agreed when the leadership in the Kremlin heard those words, they literally began to shake in their poorly cobbled boots, worried that Reagan might actually mean it and have the guts to back it up.
Said more succinctly, Teddy Roosevelt-style, "Walk softly and carry a big stick."
A.A.C.
(In the trenches, you can count on me. I've got your back!)
"This does raise an excellent point in its own right: should we be openly rooting for the Muslim youth to be diverted and misdirected away from the intrinsic opressiveness of muhammadism into the mainstream of Western culture and society by the magnetic, yet somewhat perverse allure of achievement, and the wealth and materialism which can grow out of it, and travel further down the road of spiritual desolation that can overtake many...?"
We don't have to! It happens naturally and that's what frightens the clerics.
"Or do we hope that somewhere along the line they will have a positively transforming encounter with an honest witness for Christ?"
Given enough freedom i.e., the opportunity for an encounter with an honest witness for Christ, is the outcome that terrifies the clerics.
"In my perception, it seems that the average Islamist parent would much rather their male children pursue the pleasures of the flesh (which can later apparently be justified away as part of their necessary 'taqiyyah') than to take Christ into their hearts which carries the penalty of death for the apostate Muslim and whomever "converted" them?"
Simple choice for a muslim parent? Only apostasy carries the death penalty.
"Their female children, on the other hand, are apparently quite disposable either way if they shame the family..."
A woman has little value in islam. Sheep, goats and camels count for more. Remember, islam still 'lives' in the desert and the 'time' is one and a half millenia ago.
"I think I have already long since earned the death sentence, because years ago, a girlfriend and I gave an NIV Bible to an Iranian girl (Flora) who was a fellow student at college. Some of Flor's Muslim male friends at college were openly critical of me for giving it, and her for keeping it, but this was back in the day when those little pr**ks knew to behave themselves in America, so despite the menacing glances and vaguely-worded threats, she kept it - and she read it!"
Before CAIR? Before the Saudi Wahhabi began to spend billions in the US building mosques, islamic culture centres; before the Saudi's gave millions to US Universities, before the ACLU took up the cause of islam...things certainly changed after 9/11. (sarc.)
"How do I know? Because I met her again some 19 years later - no longer a Muslim, and no longer married to the rigid, emotionally abusive, and restrictive Iranian Muslim man she had been with - but a single Christian woman, working in the real estate business."
Women have the potential to destroy islam. The clerics are terrified!
"She's making a nice living, slender, well-dressed, and fabulously good-looking."
We had one in Brisbane. She left her Iranian husband, went to work, bought a house, her son was a useless lay-a-bout, threatened her because she 'dressed like a whore' - she had to throw him out of the house. Next, the husband came knocking. He had nowhere to live. Couldn't keep a job, everything offered him was too 'demeaning', but he would have liked nothing better than to live off her. She sent him packing as well! Stunning looking woman, 52 years of age, full of energy and optimism. The men were parasites.
"So there is hope for our culture and our religious examples to triumph in many of their lives, IMHO - but we better not lay aside our vigilance, nor our suspicions to bet the farm on it."
Because the clerics are terrified! And that's when the 'beast' is the most dangerous. "When Islam Breaks Down" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115880/posts
"What was the operative phrase in the Reagan administration, after Gipperus Ronaldus Magnus succeeded in getting the Soviets' attention with his "Evil Empire" observation, and his unforgettable,"Ladies and gentlemen I'm pleased to announce...bombing begins in five minutes." comment - made "accidentally" (oh yeah, right!) on air just ahead of a scheduled radio address...
Oh yeah, now I remember, "Trust, but verify."
Verify. Verify. Verify. After a thousand years, Trust!
"*Sigh! The world could use hearing some tough talk like that again...Personal friends of mine in Russia - including a former Soviet Admiral, Sergei Aleksandrovich (no kidding!) whose command was all the sub and frigate fleets in the Indian Ocean, a former Soviet fighter pilot, Kostya, and a former KGB assassin, Pavel (whose work was limited to domestic front targets in the USSR only) all agreed when the leadership in the Kremlin heard those words, they literally began to shake in their poorly cobbled boots, worried that Reagan might actually mean it and have the guts to back it up."
Brilliant! I want a friend named Sergei Aleksandrovich too, (not too sure about the others) but meanwhile I'm quite happy to note that the clerics are terrified! http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/islamgrows.html
'Said more succinctly, Teddy Roosevelt-style, "Walk softly and carry a big stick."'
An Aussie might say 'I wouldn't trust the b*st*rds as far as I can kick them.'
(In the trenches, you can count on me. I've got your back!)
Ditto!
Fred.
Ping!
"how many would consider Catholics a huge danger to America?"
Catholics don't behead the opposition.
"I'm far more inclined to believe what they tell me than what an imam might say, and that shouldn't surprise you."
Not at all, but it also will prove a point that militant Imans will lie to THEIR OWN people when they get desperate enough.
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