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Does the NRA support voting on judicial nominations?

Posted on 04/24/2005 6:35:03 PM PDT by llevrok

Conservative Radio is reporting that groups like the NRA are not supporting breaking the so-called senate "filabuster" so as not to upset democratic senators who have supported the NRA in the past.


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KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; filabuster; filibuster; judicialnominations; judiciary; nra; ussenate
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To: MeekOneGOP

Nice work!


41 posted on 04/25/2005 5:08:19 AM PDT by andyandval
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To: Kotaku

Dwar Kok
I appreciate your reposnse but not your tone.

FYI - This is not a Christian issue. This is a constitutional issue, Troll.


42 posted on 04/25/2005 5:20:17 AM PDT by llevrok (A conservative American first. Not a republican.)
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To: PhiKapMom; OldFriend

That's for sure. One former NRA member, current GOA and LEAA member here.


43 posted on 04/25/2005 6:04:50 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: rellimpank; PhiKapMom; OldFriend; Shooter 2.5; Joe Brower; kandb; Honeybunch
No, the NRA presents a facade of staying strictly with firearms issues. Behind the scenes, they scheme with the best of them. Their best play is to support weaselly Democrats whom they find acceptable so they can claim to be "bipartisan".

Examples? Carson in Oklahoma, of course, at the expense of Tom Coburn, and don't forget our friend Howard Dean who got an A rating from the NRA despite his later to be revealed liberal psychosis. The aforementioned situation in New Jersey is another example, along with the Republican primary for the US Senate where the NRA supported the incumbent sleaze Arlen Specter over his more principled and conservative challenger, (I forget his name, someone help me out here) who lost by a few hundred votes.

In Coburn's case, there are SOME who believe the NRA witheld their support from him because he's unpopular in Washington. (In other words, religious, principled and disinclined to "play ball".)

And it's a shame, because they have done so much for the gunowners of america at times.

I'll consider rejoining if the Ted Nugent faction of the NRA takes over at the next board election.

44 posted on 04/25/2005 6:21:29 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

---there is something known as political reality---the NRA has to operate in that sphere--not the dream world of the "no compromise" GOA or the JPFO, neither of which can get more than one vote in the House and none in the Senate without the NRA doing the work---


45 posted on 04/25/2005 6:25:53 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: OKSooner
I gave up demanding 100% perfection years ago. And our battles to regain our God-given rights have been seeing many more victories than defeats since then. Bottom line: If we didn't have the NRA, our RKBA would have been legislated away decades ago.

"I'll consider rejoining if the Ted Nugent faction of the NRA takes over at the next board election."

And I'll be getting my two kids life memberships.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

46 posted on 04/25/2005 6:30:58 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: rellimpank; PhiKapMom; OldFriend; Shooter 2.5; kandb; Honeybunch; Joe Brower
Thanks for acknowledging my point.

I've got your "Political Reality" right here - half of my expired NRA card, the other half of which went in the chimenea.

And I know others here in Oklahoma who would tell you the same thing.

47 posted on 04/25/2005 6:32:17 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Joe Brower
The NRA's problem is that they have become such a political organization rather than an interest organization is that they've decided their best strategy is to support the status quo rather than progress. This issue with the filibuster is a perfect case in point.

Here at a time when we could be getting good Constitutionalist judges confirmed, the NRA is opting to not rock the boat. I suppose they're just waiting for the next President so they can play ball with her too.

48 posted on 04/25/2005 6:37:48 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: PhiKapMom

Thanks for the ping.


49 posted on 04/25/2005 6:40:36 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

--we in the NRA -all four million of us out of a hundred million or so gun owners-will continue to carry you--


50 posted on 04/25/2005 6:46:55 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: OKSooner
Well, maybe. Yes, they certainly have their own beauracracy that's for sure, but I think that by and large they are being more aggressive lately because they do sense and hear what their members general opinions are, and adapt accordingly. Like I said, they have been more effective than not. Another thing I've seen is that they have trusted politicians in the past and been burned, and have adapted to that as well.

I join such organizations, and then I beat on them from the inside to make them work according to my wishes. Mostly the NRA does that for me.

I'm also a member of the GOA, SAF, and other RKBA organizations. I feel that since we are being attacked on multiple fronts, we need to make sure we have enough different agendas in the pro-RKBA fight there to defend and counter on same.

51 posted on 04/25/2005 7:26:05 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: flashbunny; white trash redneck; Javelina; Shooter 2.5; DLfromthedesert; xcamel; PhiKapMom; ...
This is one of the most frustrating aspects of this debate-if you can even classify it as such-from my perspective.

It's one thing for a lay observer not to grasp the fundamental distinction between a legislative filibuster-intended to stall a specific bill wending its way through Congress-and the tactics being used by Chuck Schumer et. al. to stall President Bush's judicial nominees, and by extension, completely negate the U.S. Senate's traditional "advise and consent" function.

However, when I pick up the Sunday edition of the NYT and see an op-ed penned by Ian Duncan Smith-who presumably, should know better-decrying the very notion of this minor legislative reform using the same skewed and inaccurate interpretation, it really makes you start to wonder what's wrong with the way our news media frames issues.

52 posted on 04/25/2005 7:30:25 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("What in the world happened to Gerard's tag-line?")
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To: flashbunny; white trash redneck; Javelina; Shooter 2.5; DLfromthedesert; xcamel; PhiKapMom; ...
This is one of the most frustrating aspects of this debate-if you can even classify it as such-from my perspective.

It's one thing for a lay observer not to grasp the fundamental distinction between a legislative filibuster-intended to stall a specific bill wending its way through Congress-and the tactics being used by Chuck Schumer et. al. to stall President Bush's judicial nominees, and by extension, completely negate the U.S. Senate's traditional "advise and consent" function.

However, when I pick up the Sunday edition of the NYT and see an op-ed penned by Ian Duncan Smith-who presumably, should know better-decrying the very notion of this minor legislative reform using the same skewed and inaccurate interpretation, it really makes you start to wonder what's wrong with the way our news media frames issues.

53 posted on 04/25/2005 7:30:40 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("What in the world happened to Gerard's tag-line?")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Frames issues? Y'mean, the way they're all partisan shills? ;')


54 posted on 04/25/2005 7:54:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Monday, April 11, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Yeah, that!

:)

55 posted on 04/25/2005 7:57:23 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("What in the world happened to Gerard's tag-line?")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
_- Ian Duncan Smith-who presumably, should know better--

Why I don't believe anything in the media about firearms or explosives --or anything else--

56 posted on 04/25/2005 8:09:02 AM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: Javelina
Within the spirit of the constitution, a "super majority" is specifically indicated 7 times, for special circumstances. Breaking a filibuster is not one of them. Powers not specifically enumerated in the constitution as amended by the people from time to time are not the prerogative of the congress to change at will, and without the consent of the governed.
57 posted on 04/25/2005 9:01:47 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Pepper777
The rest were blocked by Republican filibusters. get the picture?

That statement is a LIE. The Republicans did not filibuster any of clinton's nominees. Some of them never got out of committee -- a far cry from a filibuster -- where they can't even get a majority on the committee, let alone on the senate floor. btw, when the GOP MAJORITY blocked certain nominees in the committee, the dems went ballistic insisting that these losers be given a vote on the floor of the senate. Now they have changed their tune and are standing for blocking nominees that they would not have the balls to oppose in an actual vote on the floor. If a vote on the floor were allowed, each of these nominees would enjoy a substantial bi-partisan approval. But the dems obstruct.

Finally, the 10 out of 235 is a misleading statisitical factoid made to keep ignorant folks like you confused. Yes, many lower court nominees have been confirmed. However, these are important positions on the federal circuit courts and each vacancy is considered a judicial crisis, which makes this democrat grandstanding and obstruction even more egregious.

58 posted on 04/25/2005 11:02:14 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember; Pepper777
Finally, the 10 out of 235 is a misleading statisitical factoid made to keep ignorant folks like you confused

My comment there might have been unnecessarily harsh. It is possible that I misinterpreted your reply to "kotaku" in which it appeared to me that you were agreeing with his nonsense. If my inference from your post was incorrect, please accept my apology for lumping you in with those who are either grossly ignorant or disgusting liars on the issue of the blocked judges and filibusters.

59 posted on 04/25/2005 11:09:58 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: llevrok

I hope you/we get a reply from the NRA on this rather quickly!


60 posted on 04/25/2005 11:11:46 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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