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'95 bombing was beginning of end for militias
chron.com ^ | April 20, 2005, 7:51AM | THOMAS KOROSEC

Posted on 04/23/2005 5:39:42 PM PDT by Destro

April 20, 2005, 7:51AM

'95 bombing was beginning of end for militias

Watchdogs say neo-Nazis and anti-immigration groups now pose the greatest threat

By THOMAS KOROSEC

Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle

DALLAS - Ten years after the Oklahoma City bombing, the anti-government militia movement that spawned America's deadliest act of domestic terrorism apparently is a wisp of its former self.

After a spike in interest after the April 19, 1995, bombing, militias fell into decline, according to those who monitor such groups.

Today, anti-immigration vigilantes on the U.S.-Mexico border, environmental extremists, skinheads and neo-Nazis pose a greater threat of violence, former FBI officials and watchdog groups say.

Since the mid-1990s, more than four-fifths of the so-called patriot groups have disbanded, according to the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center. Those remaining bear little resemblance to the high-profile militants who inspired Timothy McVeigh to blow up a Ryder truck packed with racing fuel and farm fertilizer next to the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City, killing 149 adults and 19 children.

Examining their roots

"It was a broad movement, much broader than the Klan or the neo-Nazis," said Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project.

Potok and others who have studied the militias say they were spawned by resentments to new gun-control laws, the 1993 federal siege of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco and global free-trade policies such as the North American Free Trade Agreement. They either retreated from government's reach or openly confronted government power.

"What they had in common were conspiracy theories," Potok said. "Waco was very much seen as what the federal government was willing to do to crush the politically unorthodox, particularly people who were interested in guns."

McVeigh, who with co-conspirator Terry Nichols attempted to join a militia in Michigan, chose the second anniversary of the fiery end of the Waco episode for his attack in Oklahoma City.

Norm Olson, a founder of the Michigan Militia Corps who later disbanded the group, said that after the bombing, "about a third walked away from the militia altogether. They didn't want to be involved in it."

Numbers peak, then decline

Danny Defenbaugh, a retired FBI agent who headed the Oklahoma City investigation, agreed that McVeigh's act was seen as so repugnant that many people severed their militia ties.

"I had discussions with a number of militia leaders who said McVeigh and Nichols did their cause a lot of harm," Defenbaugh said. "Because of the children being killed, they were being portrayed as baby killers."

However, as a result of a raft of publicity, the militia movement grew in the immediate months following Oklahoma City.

"It took a year for militia members to see through the haze of theories. Militia leaders immediately claimed the federal government set off the bomb to discredit them," said Daniel Levitas, author of The Terrorist Next Door.

Numbers crested in 1996, when, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, there were 858 groups attracting as many as 50,000 active members.

But the spike didn't last long.

Law enforcement's effect

Mark Pitcavage, director of fact-finding for the Anti-Defamation League, said several factors led to the movement's decline, starting with law enforcement's response.

"When hundreds of militia members started going to prison on weapons and conspiracy charges, a lot of members began backing away," he said. McVeigh, a Persian Gulf War veteran, was convicted on federal murder, conspiracy and weapons charges and executed in 2001. Nichols is serving a life sentence.

In Texas, Republic of Texas leader Richard McLaren was twice convicted and all but one of his five followers were also given prison time for their roles in a 1997 military-style raid that led to a seven-day siege in the Davis Mountains.

The FBI hired 570 new agents within a year of the bombing, assigning many to regional counterterrorism task forces, and Justice Department guidelines restricting investigations of suspicious groups were relaxed.

"We were allowed to range more widely," said Defenbaugh, who in the late 1990s headed the FBI's Dallas office, where the country's largest task force was based.

Avoiding violence

Meanwhile, federal agents rethought their approach to negotiations and standoffs and defused several potentially deadly and incendiary incidents without resorting to violence.

"Agents-in-charge went through management training in how to handle these situations and there was a considerable effort to meet with domestic groups," Defenbaugh said. "I talked with a lot of them. I'd tell them, 'You have a right to bear arms and join together. You have a right to discord with the U.S. government. But here is the line. Once you cross it, we'll investigate you and investigate you aggressively.' "

At the same time, states and local prosecutors began cracking down on so-called paper terrorists and tax resisters aligned with the militias.

In the late 1990s, more than 30 states, including Texas, passed laws outlawing the filing of unjustified property liens and simulating legal process.

Today, there are about 152 "patriot" groups scattered through 30 states, the Southern Poverty Law Center estimates.

Ten are in Texas, including the Republic of Texas in Overton and the Constitution Society in Austin, the center says. The numbers have been fairly stable for the past four years.

Levitas said militias have had a difficult time recruiting in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center.

"When Americans are being killed, it's difficult casting the federal government as the problem," he said.

Some members remain

Still, last year in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Montana, militia members were arrested on weapons charges.

In Tyler, anti-government extremist William J. Krar received an 11-year sentence for possessing an arsenal that included more than 100,000 rounds of ammunition, machine guns, pipe bombs and a sodium cyanide bomb.

"Although they're small in size, there remain people who are hardcore and devoted and not averse to criminal action," Pitcavage said. "They're still causing crimes and causing problems."

thomas.korosec@chron.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: farfromover; militias; notgoneyet; okcbombing; theend
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1 posted on 04/23/2005 5:39:44 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

Why do these people source Morris Dee's Southern Poverty Law Center? Oh yeah, that's the ticket. Let's smear the conservatives with an account of rightwing kooks wrapped up with a pretty bow from one of the more corrupt leftist shills. Fact is, more terrorism and political violence in this nation is from the leftist quarter than any fantasy the left imagines about militias.


2 posted on 04/23/2005 5:45:35 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Get after the RAT's all of you cat people - earn your keep!)
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To: Destro

Nobody ever heard of a militia until the MSM created the connection between McVey and whomever.......


3 posted on 04/23/2005 5:47:07 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (After 32 years of dealing with stupid people I still haven't earned the right to just shoot them.)
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To: Destro
---When hundreds of militia members started going to prison---

Rot--

4 posted on 04/23/2005 5:51:44 PM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: Destro

"Waco was very much seen as what the federal government was willing to do to crush the politically unorthodox, particularly people who were interested in guns."

Duh.


5 posted on 04/23/2005 5:52:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Destro
Today, anti-immigration vigilantes on the U.S.-Mexico border...

*sigh*

Apparently, trying to protect the integrity of one's own borders makes you a 'vigilante' in this idiot's eyes.
6 posted on 04/23/2005 5:52:38 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (It takes all kinds of critters...to make Farmer Vincents fritters)
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To: Destro

What kind of retard would cmpare Timothy Mcveigh to the Minutemen?. Thats stupid. The Border Vigilantes arent about to blow up a Federal building. Telling me that a bunch of retired old coots trying to stop illegals is more dangerous than His-panic street gangs is ludicrous. Any Federal official who feels that way needs to be put away in an insane asylum. fatc is the Government is now and alwasy has been afraidn of vigilantes who do their job when they cant. It threatens their job security, and if they get a chance they will prosecute to the fullest any of the Minutemen who screw up.


7 posted on 04/23/2005 6:01:13 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Destro

Never mind that the Muslims were behind OKC. Another Clinton coverup (along with TWA 800.)


8 posted on 04/23/2005 6:02:53 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: Destro

No, it is the federal government and politicians of both political parties that are the source of violence in America by ignoring our immigration laws.


9 posted on 04/23/2005 6:03:50 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Destro

This article is not worthy for me to wipe my butt with. Making all people in malitias out to be criminals. What I wouldn't like to do with some of these morons. I am not in a malitia by the way.


10 posted on 04/23/2005 6:08:20 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: Destro

His story falls apart when he assumes "militias" were behind the OK City Bombing. I thought it was interesting today that Massoui (sp) first came into the US thru OK City. And the First Flight instrutor had to go to OK City to pick him up.


11 posted on 04/23/2005 6:17:00 PM PDT by marty60
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Most of the militia movement was in response to the Clinton regime. Had Gore or Kerry won, the movement would be rolling still.


12 posted on 04/23/2005 6:25:47 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (Let Me Die on My Feet in the Swamp, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I agree. Nonetheless, leftist slime like Dees, the SPLC and their lickspittles carry on no matter who's in power.


13 posted on 04/23/2005 6:28:30 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Get after the RAT's all of you cat people - earn your keep!)
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To: marty60
Actually the article postulates that people had perceptions that the militias were behind OK City Bombing and thus the militia movement became tainted.
14 posted on 04/23/2005 6:29:48 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Hey, I'm on Dees's list, did You make it yet?
I had a verbal sparring match with a little commie b---ch, and she actually reported Me. I feel like I'm in good company, for the most part.


15 posted on 04/23/2005 6:46:51 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (Let Me Die on My Feet in the Swamp, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Destro

Thomas Korosec.
Korosec.
Is he an American?


16 posted on 04/23/2005 6:55:58 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Morris Dees is reportedly a 'he' but the jury hasn't fully weighed in yet.


17 posted on 04/23/2005 6:56:32 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Get after the RAT's all of you cat people - earn your keep!)
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To: henderson field
BUTCH: I'm an American, our names don't mean shit.
PULP FICTION
18 posted on 04/23/2005 7:01:35 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The Clinton regime? I'm sorry, but President Clinton, whether we like it or not, was the constitutionally and democratically elected president of our country. Taking up arms against our constitutional government is not justified, even against someone like Clinton. True conservatives are faithful to our constitution and free institutions. They don't foment rebellion and go bombing buildings just because their guy didn't win at the ballot box. I for one am glad that the problem of anti-constitutional militias has died down.


19 posted on 04/23/2005 7:15:38 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

Nobody is saying that bombing buildings is nice. They are saying that blaming it on "right wing militias" was a piece of clintonoid propaganda.

The Southern Poverty Law Center sent someone around one time to collect money in our church. They talked a great line, but they are nothing but a gang of Communist agitators. Their purpose is not to help people in poverty. Their purpose is to stir up bad feelings and tell lies to bring on the revolution.


20 posted on 04/23/2005 7:54:23 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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