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Inside the Mind of a Creationist (Hope is Alive in California!)
Metro: Silicon Valley Weekly Newspaper ^ | April 21, 2005 | Najeeb Hasan

Posted on 04/21/2005 4:34:42 AM PDT by gobucks

In the last year, Silicon Valley has been a center of a showdown over religious beliefs in public schools. Meet the other side. LYNN HOFLAND often talks faster than he thinks. For Hofland, it seems the circumstances demand it. A creationist, he happily espouses a point of view that mainstream culture considers ridiculous and unenlightened.

The earth, according to Hofland, is about 6,000 years old. God created it in six 24-hour days. And, of course, evolution is just a theory.

Most people around here will shake their heads and wonder how anyone could think that in this day and age. But for Hofland, it's a basic foundation of his belief system.

And his belief system came to the South Bay in a big way last fall when Stephen Williams, a fifth-grade teacher at Stevens Creek Elementary School in Cupertino, filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the Cupertino Union School District (and against Stevens Creek Elementary's principal), claiming he had been discriminated against because he was Christian. Williams, backed by the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal organization engaged in contesting cultural issues across the nation, said that his principal stopped him from handing out historical materials in class that referenced God. After an initial Drudge Report headline about the Declaration of Independence being "banned" at a California school, Williams' case was egged on by right-wing radio and blogs. Sean Hannity, of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, brought his show to the Flint Center in Cupertino for a special "Take Back America" broadcast.

Mark Thomas was one of the panelists for that broadcast. Thomas, the president of the Atheists of Silicon Valley (www.godlessgeeks.com), believes everything that Hofland does not. He believes men came from monkeys. He believes the animate sprung from the inanimate; the concept even has a scientific-sounding word for it: abiogenesis.

Thomas has met Hofland on more than one occasion; he even went so far as to give Hofland the floor during one of his atheist meetings held bimonthly in the community room of his townhouse complex in Mountain View. But the truth is, he thinks Hofland is a kook. Or, if Hofland's not a kook himself, that his ideas about the origins of life are definitely kooky.

"It's rather irritating to get into these conversations about the origins of life with him," says Thomas. "You keep coming back with God did this, God did that. The problem is for him there are no contradictions because he's right. In some ways you can't refute him. God could have created the world a hundred years ago with everything looking as though it were ancient. You can't disprove it. God could have created the universe a day ago with everything, including people's memories intact. You can't disprove that."

Evolution of an Anti-Evolutionist

Hofland may think the world was created in six days, but it took him a lot longer than that to arrive at that belief—30 years and then some, in fact. Born in Montana, near Missoula (he still mixes Montana wheat into homemade breads and waffles), Hofland, now 50, has always had a Midwestern sensibility. He graduated from high school (his mother was his eighth-grade biology teacher), but flunked out of college after a year and a half. Then, he did a six-year stint in the Navy, floating around the South Pacific on a nuclear submarine.

"My background," he admits, "did not lend itself to me being a creationist."

Of all things, it was a subsequent job at NASA, where he's still employed today, that led Hofland to discard the evolutionism he had grown up with. Watching NASA scientists taking lessons from the physiology of giraffes to develop gravity suits for astronauts (the thick-skinned giraffe boasts a unique blood pressure for mammals, which is especially helpful for outer-space modeling) eventually convinced Hofland to do his own research into the giraffe—an animal, as it turns out, that has been widely used in creationist arguments.

What he found, he says, converted him. The giraffe, he learned, has seven neck bones (the norm, for many mammals), even though, as far as he could tell, there's no reason why evolution wouldn't have demanded the number of the giraffe's neck bones increase with the size of its neck. Hofland was also amazed at the giraffe's capability to withstand extreme blood pressure (due to its height) in its legs, and to adjust the pressure when it bends its head down to drink water—without its reinforced artery walls, its collection of valves and a "web" of small blood vessels, intense pressure would reach the giraffe's brain every time it bends its head. Not to mention what Hofland considers the miraculous design of the giraffe's birthing process—the new calf, which drops into the world from a height of five feet, cannot fall neither head or feet first, as both positions would end up breaking its neck; instead, the giraffe maneuvers a "perfect" exit, hind feet first and supporting its flexible neck around its shoulders.

Before he learned all this, Hofland insists, he, always scientifically inclined, was very much an ardent evolutionist. But, after his study, he ended up penning an article which became the basis for a new creationist ministry he calls Stiffneck Ministries.

"I had to struggle with this, but when I did my homework, I was convinced the giraffe was created," he says. "And, if the giraffe was created, then I was created, and, if I was created, then I had some answering to do for my life."

Thomas, however, is hardly impressed by Hofland's conversion. "I'm very well aware of his Stiffneck Ministries and his giraffes," says Thomas, with an exasperated tone. "His arguments are false; they are completely false. Giraffes have evolved over a period of time, and it's not a very good system. Giraffes have a lot of problems, many babies die during birth because they have a long distance to fall, but it works well enough for them to survive."

Thomas has little patience for Hofland's logic. "What creationist and intelligent designers like to point out is, basically, 'Isn't X amazing? I don't understand how X could be. Therefore, there must be something else that designed X and that created X. I don't understand what this other thing is either, but it must exist, because I don't understand X. That's fallacious reasoning."

Tie For First: The way Lynn Hofland's neckwear pointedly quotes the opening of the Christian Bible leaves no doubt as to where he stands on the question of life's origin.

Putting God Into Schools

Hofland was in the audience for the Hannity special in Cupertino. For him, the hubbub was about nothing other than certain people—in this case, the elementary school's administrators and the concerned parents—being too "sensitive." The United States, Hofland likes to say, is largely a Christian nation, though Hofland's definition of what a "Christian" nation is seems to vary subtly with the context. Sometimes, as in the case of Cupertino's Williams, who Hofland argues was only distributing material that reflected the roots and realities of the United States, the nation's very Christian; sometimes it's not Christian enough.

Even the question of what "Christian" belief is in regard to creationism has shifted over time.

"The irony, of course, in all of this creation science stuff is that modern conservative Christians are not the equivalent of their 19th-century counterparts," says J. David Pleins, a professor of religion at Santa Clara University.

Pleins, who has written extensively about readings of Genesis, argues young earth creationism—Hofland's view of a 6,000-year-old history—wasn't always a traditional Christian perspective.

"In the 19th century, you people who we would today call fundamentalist or conservative Christians, who didn't think the earth was young. They were anti-evolution Christians; they were against Darwin, but they believed the earth was old because they believe that the science told us about all these ancient lost eras. And so you had conservative Christians who were committed to an old-earth creationism. That seems to be an option that's lost today, and it's lost not because of the Scopes trial."

Instead, Pleins contends that a book, The Genesis Flood, put young earth creationism on the map. "It argued that science, rewritten and interpreted differently, would validate a literal reading of the Bible, so with creation science, you get a commitment from all conservative Christians committed to a young earth reading of the text. That's new."

The reasons behind the shift in perspective are strikingly similar to the modern fundamentalist worries that Christianity would erode away if not somehow protected, which results in a defensive posture by the Christian right in the American culture wars. The book's authors, says Pleins, thought that "if you give away the literal reading of the Bible, you start giving up the biblical truth. Where would you stop?"

Similarly, Hofland wants to establish the Bible's authority in America's public schools.

"There's nothing wrong with the Bible being added as a reference text," he insists. "If the science classroom is asking questions about how old the earth is, then this"—Hofland pats a tiny blue Bible—"is as good of a reference as rocks in the ground."

Employing Hofland's logic, solutions for teaching evolution in public schools would, seemingly, become exercises in political correctness.

"Question number one," Hofland says, "could be according to the theory of evolution; question number two could be according to the theory of creation; question number three could be according to the Buddhism or whatever. Or something like that."

Hofland may seem to be far out of the mainstream, but his beliefs have made some inroads in popular culture, as seen in cases like that of the Atlanta school district that voted in 2002 to put stickers in biology textbooks which stated that evolution is "a theory not a fact." A federal judge ruled that the stickers had to be removed.

Others who criticize the way evolution is taught in public schools say they aren't necessarily creationists, but simply believe God has been pushed too far out of the debate over life's origins. In 1998, after receiving a letter co-signed by two widely respected religious scholars, Huston Smith and Alvin Plantinga, the National Association of Biology Teachers was forced to edit its definition of what to teach about evolution in schools. The association had described evolution as "unsupervised" and "impersonal"; Smith and Plantinga argued there was no scientific basis for those descriptors, and the association ended up agreeing, deleting the two words.

At NASA, Hofland often visits an artistic depiction of the origins of human life that has been put up in a building neighboring his workspace. The depiction, a colorful painting that, from left to right, shows the evolutionary stages of life through bold white lines. It begins with volcanoes exploding, moves on to micro-organisms in the oceans, to various kinds of mammals in the forests, to cave men, and finally to modern man driving along a highway.

"I did meet the artist, the original artist," he says of the painting. "At first, he told me they told him to paint all the volcanoes exploding. Then, they told him, Oh that was too much, that would cause a nuclear winter and shut everything down, so they only had two volcanoes that were exploding and the rest were dormant. And see, they keep changing their view of what happened."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; darwin; evolution; god; intelligentdesign; ohnonotagain; publicschools; taxdollarsatwork; youpayforthis
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To: ohioWfan
You are apparently incapable of complex thought.

Well, we've descended now into personal attacks.

I would make comments here about how you must have used up all your arguments, but I would be guilty of the same.

I guess we've gone as far as we can.

321 posted on 04/23/2005 11:26:31 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
Keep your religious interpretations where they are welcome. And that's NOT in the public arena, outside your church.

This, sir, is a violation of the right to speak freely IN the public arena.

Not subject to interpretation. Stated outright.

322 posted on 04/23/2005 11:33:47 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: narby
It is not a 'personal attack' to say you apparently are incapable of complex thought, when you insist on over simplifying, and thus mis-stating what I have said about evolution and Darwin's racism.

You may feel hurt by what I said about it, but it was merely an observation based on your own behavior.

I agree that we have gone as far as we can.

I do not deny you the right to speak freely about your belief system that includes your faith in the miracles of evolution, but you want me, and those who agree with me about the inerrancy of Scripture, to keep silent.

Think about what that means, before you make that statement to anyone else in the future.

323 posted on 04/23/2005 11:38:42 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
This, sir, is a violation of the right to speak freely IN the public arena.

Oh, get a grip.

I'm not proposing some censorship board to tell you what you're allowed to say.

I'm strongly suggesting that you damage the cause of conservatism by pushing anti-evolutionism. I don't appreciate that my political efforts are undermined by such silliness.

Don't you understand that abortion (and the judgeship's that can end Roe) is a much bigger priority?

Do you really not understand that point? Or are you ignoring it just to keep up this discussion?

324 posted on 04/23/2005 11:39:35 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
Keep your religious interpretations where they are welcome. And that's NOT in the public arena, outside your church.

Your own words, narby. Keep my 'religious interpretations' out of the public arena.

It's a good thing the Founding Fathers didn't agree with you.

325 posted on 04/23/2005 11:41:51 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
mis-stating what I have said about evolution and Darwin's racism.

Whether Darwin is racist or not is completly irrelevant to the issue of evolution. Darwin may have written the original book, but the understanding and study of evolution has progressed many orders of magnitude beyond him.

I'm sure you're protective of the essay you're writing on the subject, and don't want to be told that it's completly irrelevant. But, sorry, it is.

326 posted on 04/23/2005 11:43:24 AM PDT by narby
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To: ohioWfan
Your own words, narby. Keep my 'religious interpretations' out of the public arena.

And now you believe my opinion carries the weight of law that happens to be in violation of the First Amendment.

Please.

You really want me to take you seriously?

We've had several posts here completly devoid of the discussion of Genesis and evolution.

I'll assume I've carried all those points and you have nothing else to add that actually pertain to the subject of this thread.

327 posted on 04/23/2005 11:45:50 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
I actually don't care if you think it's irrelevant, narb.

Because you've proven that you only want to read and accept that with which you already agree.

It's what we in the field of education call "unteachable."

328 posted on 04/23/2005 11:46:04 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
It's what we in the field of education call "unteachable."

Checked in the mirror lately?

And that's still not on the subject of the thread.

Checkmate.

329 posted on 04/23/2005 11:52:06 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
And that's still not on the subject of the thread.

LOL! And this is.

OK. This is my final post to you.

Evolution is not scientifically possible as it is currently being taught.

Evolution is being taught as fact when it is not fact at all, but guesswork and deductions based on a pre-set bias.

Darwin was a racist, but that's not what makes his theory wrong.

"In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1: 1

There.

Bye, narb.

330 posted on 04/23/2005 11:57:10 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: ohioWfan
Oops. Left out a question mark.

Should be.....And this is??

Bet I never get a straight answer from sir narby, though...........hasn't given me one yet.........

331 posted on 04/23/2005 12:01:57 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: narby
He's not killing all the witnesses unless he commits suicide . . .Why resort to silly responses like that, unless you have nothing else to offer in the discussion?

Are you really that dense as to be unable to comprehend the significance of the accused's version of the event when determining guilt? Are you aware that many crimes are solved by confession? Can you understand how it relates to the discussion as to whether forensics is enough to send someone to death?

332 posted on 04/23/2005 3:17:17 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: narby
Keep your religious interpretations where they are welcome. And that's NOT in the public arena,

????????

333 posted on 04/23/2005 3:21:01 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
A rather remarkable command, isn't it Tribune?

I'm still incredulous that anyone claiming either conservatism or Christianity would make such an obscene statement to try to shut down free speech.

334 posted on 04/23/2005 6:19:14 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch

"but it is quite telling when evolutionary arguments have an underlying ID bias - and the evolutionists either cannot see it or deny it."

Agreed.


335 posted on 04/23/2005 7:21:33 PM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: Labyrinthos; Jim Robinson
If you can't follow directions, then don't waste bandwidth with an irrelevant response.

Jim Rob, did ownership of FR pass to Labyrinthos sometime in the near past?

336 posted on 04/23/2005 7:26:57 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88
I suspect that JimRob has more important things in his life than dealing with things like this. But I do hope that you feel better after taddeling on me. (BTW, when you were a adolescent, did you run to mommy and daddy to solve all of your problems or did you try to solve the problems on your own?)
337 posted on 04/24/2005 7:51:32 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
Supernatural events have no place in science class.

Then how is it that evolution is, since it is filled with supernatural events?

338 posted on 04/24/2005 9:54:39 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: js1138; Tribune7
[RE: things that cannot be witnessed or reproduced experimentally]

Consider the evolution of the Indo-European language family. This has been accepted by all linguists for something like 50 yerars longer than biogical evolution.

The reasons for accepting the theory are basically that there are similar words with similar meanings in all the various branches, and various rules that connect the sounds of one to those of another. See, eg here or here.

The interesting thing is that this was done entirely by people, but in most cases there is no record of what was happening. Somehow, a single language, over the course of a few thousand years, split into things as different as English, Russian, French, Hindi, Albanian, Farsi, Armenian, Greek, and so forth, and at every step along the way, there was a coherent language

This is rather like animals gradually changing, while at every step still being perfectly functional

< ID/crreationism mode> Yeah, right, I can just imagine 1/2 Armenian, 1/2 English.

Or, I studied Russian in school, and I can tell you it's not like English!

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Clearly, the evolution of PIE cannot be reproduced in a lab, or directly observed (there are ancient written records in a few of the languages, but the written record is totally missing before about 3000 years ago, and is very recent for many of the languages).

Should we alloow this to be taught in schools? Why or why not?

339 posted on 04/25/2005 1:08:26 AM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
Somehow, a single language, over the course of a few thousand years, split into things as different as English, Russian, French, Hindi, Albanian, Farsi, Armenian, Greek, and so forth, and at every step along the way, there was a coherent language

Ok

This is rather like animals gradually changing, while at every step still being perfectly functional

Like microevolution

< ID/crreationism mode> Yeah, right, I can just imagine 1/2 Armenian, 1/2 English.

Language is not Irreducibly complex. If you speak English you can still speak Armenian.

Clearly, the evolution of PIE cannot be reproduced in a lab, or directly observed . . .Should we alloow this to be taught in schools? Why or why not?

In a science class in a public high school? A more interesting question is why is it not?

340 posted on 04/25/2005 9:15:19 AM PDT by Tribune7
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