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FLASHBACK: Cardinal Ratzinger Orders Kerry Communion Ban
NewsMax ^ | July 7, 2004 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 04/19/2005 6:30:03 PM PDT by RWR8189

In a private memorandum, top Vatican prelate Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told American bishops that Communion must be denied to Catholic politicians who support legal abortion.

While never mentioning Sen. John Kerry by name, the memo implicitly aims at the pro-choice Catholic Massachusetts senator and presidential candidate.

Ratzinger's ban is broad and includes all other pro-abortion Catholic politicians who are defying the church's ban on abortion.

According the Culture of Life Foundation, which obtained a copy of the confidential document, the Cardinal began by stressing the serious nature of receiving Communion and the need for each person to make “a conscious decision” regarding their worthiness based on “the Church’s objective criteria.”

But the Cardinal adds that it is not only the responsibility of the pro-abortion politicians such as Kerry to make a judgment about their worthiness to receive Communion.

It is also up to those distributing Communion to deny the sacrament to those in conflict with the Church's prohibition of abortion and the duty of office holders to oppose the procedure.

“Apart from an individual’s judgment about his worthiness to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he must refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict, or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin.”

If a politician such as Kerry “still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it, ” Cardinal Ratzinger wrote.

He added that such as denial does not mean that the minister of Communion is judging the politician’s soul but is a reflection that he is in a state of obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin.

“Nor is the minister of Holy Communion passing judgment on the person’s subjective guilt, but rather is reacting to the person’s public unworthiness to receive Holy Communion due to an objective situation of sin.”

The document also address the issues of the death penalty and war, contrasting these issues and with abortion.

“Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia ... There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia,” Ratzinger wrote.

The memo was one of the subjects of an interim report by a task force of seven bishops established to address the Communion question.

The topic was also addressed by the American Bishops during their mid-June meeting in Dallas.

At that meeting the Bishops approved a document titled “Catholics in Political Life” which while it had harsh words for pro-abortion leaders, did not make specific recommendations on whether or not they should be denied Communion instead leaving the decision to individual Bishops.

Implicit in what the the Cardinal was saying, however, is that the bishops are required to state unambiguously that pro-abortion politicians must be denied Holy Communion, thus removing the decision from the bishops' discretion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: abortion; benedict; benedict16; benedictxvi; catholicpoliticians; communion; eucharist; johnkerry; kerry; lurch; pope; ratzinger
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To: bitt

Yes, I think I LIKE it! But then, of course, "God's Rotweiller" has a nice ring to it too!
LOL


61 posted on 04/19/2005 11:45:08 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: MeekOneGOP

#32....


62 posted on 04/20/2005 4:39:33 AM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1387255/posts


63 posted on 04/20/2005 4:49:59 AM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt; Grampa Dave; Arthur Wildfire! March; PhilDragoo; devolve
"What we have here is a failure to Excommunicate"

You've got that right! Thanks. :)

As Grampa Dave says:

Mastah Kerry, the Devil has impregnated you with one of Je$$e
HyJack$on's love children! After you give birth to Je$$e's love
child, it will call you MaMa!



64 posted on 04/20/2005 4:58:12 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: bitt
:)

65 posted on 04/20/2005 4:58:48 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Darkwolf

Cool! Hopefully he'll ban Communion for anybody seen wearing a flowered zipper pull in public.


66 posted on 04/20/2005 5:11:26 AM PDT by Serb5150 (Christlich leben selig sterben ist das beste das wir erben.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

MAMA!!

good laugh to start me off!

hey, see this today? It was in Pookie18's today's tunes, French Troops land in Iraq
http://media2.big-boys.com/files/frenchtroops.wmv


67 posted on 04/20/2005 5:40:08 AM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: Serb5150
Besides Kerry and Kennedy, I wonder who else in Congress is a pro-abortion so-called Catholic?

I also wish this Pope would banish the act of annulments. It's ridiculous to claim a wedding/marriage never happened, when it did.
68 posted on 04/20/2005 5:46:48 AM PDT by demkicker (Support DeLay, the Hammer, and the filibuster ban on judicial nominations!)
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To: jwfiv

64 is a classic.


69 posted on 04/20/2005 5:49:57 AM PDT by Serb5150 (Christlich leben selig sterben ist das beste das wir erben.)
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To: Enterprise

According to what I read yesterday - probably here - he was press-ganged into the German army at the age of 16 - deserted - and just before or right after the end of the war was sent to a POW camp as a "deserter".

Does the MSM really want to go there?


70 posted on 04/20/2005 5:50:58 AM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Let's Roll
The MSM will probably conveniently ignore that he deserted. I would suspect that he did so as a matter of conscience, and if part of the reason was because he knew of the atrocities, then by the standards of the MSM, he should be a hero. At this point it is conjecture on my part of course. But even if he was forced into the Hitler youth, even if he was press ganged into the military and he deserted as a matter of conscience, the MSM won't take that into account. All that matters is whether he will relax on abortion or civil-unions. If he were to agree with the MSM perverts, then they would consider him as great man, a progressive and intelligent religious leader, but if he sticks to his conscience and his deeply held religious beliefs, as he did as a young man, then he is right-wing scum.
71 posted on 04/20/2005 6:19:05 AM PDT by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: RWR8189
Why not go for the whole enchilada and excommunicate these politicians?

I am not Catholic, but tip my hat to the new Pope. I'd like to see a more hardline approach, though.

I'd also like to see the other church leaders, like the Baptist practice excommunication.

It's biblical (Matthew 18:15-19), but one must first take the issue directly to the offender, then to two or three witnesses.
72 posted on 04/20/2005 6:26:20 AM PDT by Preachin' (Keep the Kerry/Edwards tags on your cars so we can identify the root of your disease.)
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To: bitt
ha! What a mess. :)

73 posted on 04/20/2005 6:30:53 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Regarding nuanced traitor Jean-French Kerry, I support a vermin's right to lose.


74 posted on 04/20/2005 4:30:21 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: ntnychik

Thanks, I wrote about this in a letter to you!!


75 posted on 04/21/2005 2:18:39 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: bitt; Emmett McCarthy; Boazo; Bassfire; Echo Talon; Seadog Bytes; pookie18; MeekOneGOP
see #32...Seadog Bytes is JUST now going thru his pings and has got the perfect pic


76 posted on 05/30/2005 6:18:29 PM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: bitt
Thanks...pope sounds a bit like Strother Martin to me...IAC, will rerun in Today's Toons 5/31/05.


77 posted on 05/30/2005 6:31:25 PM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: pookie18

RE: "Thanks...pope sounds a bit like Strother Martin to me...IAC, will rerun in Today's Toons 5/31/05."

LOL. Guess I'm going to have to work on my 'pastoral/papal dialects', huh?
- sdb


78 posted on 05/31/2005 4:46:13 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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To: Seadog Bytes

http://www.thepocket.com/wavs/failuretocomm.wav


79 posted on 05/31/2005 4:56:56 PM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens!)
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To: pookie18

Oh! Thanks, but...can the ones I need to study up on be found on the 'Vatican Unplugged' album? Maybe like this one...?
http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/habemuspapamJPI.wav
...or perhaps...
http://www.albino-luciani.com/audio/angelus.wav

...???


80 posted on 05/31/2005 6:07:52 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”—Edmund Burke)
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