Posted on 04/19/2005 10:42:12 AM PDT by Bella_Bru
KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- A rabbi wearing a yarmulke and a man wearing swastikas got into a fight at Kansas City International Airport Sunday evening.
According to a police report, Rabbi David Fine, 36, of Overland Park, was in the KCI terminal when he commented to Steven T. Boswell, 30, of Olathe, about a large swastika logo on his shirt and his swastika necklace.
Fine told Boswell that he should be ashamed of himself, and Boswell responded by calling the rabbi inhuman, the police report stated.
The rabbi allegedly threw a cup of coffee in Boswell's face and punched him. Boswell told police he then repeatedly punched Fine in the head.
Both men were handcuffed and charged with disorderly conduct. They refused medical attention.
The responding officer said Fine had some small bumps on his head and Boswell had coffee stains on his clothing.
Both men are scheduled to appear in court on June 22.
"the only reason Henry Morgenthau couldn't kill Jews personally was because he couldn't find a way to get away with it."
On Morgenthau, you do know he was Jewish. On what do you base that comment?
A 'holy man' by my definition means someone who is better than me in every imaginable way who is also an expression of God's Will in his daily behaviors.
Anyone in clerical leadership, including laity, should be an example to the community at large because, good or bad, they ARE an example to the community at large. Svigdor Nebenzahl, chief rabbi of the Old City of Jerusalem, would not have behaved as such.
The right to not be offended takes precedence over other rights.
The Hasmoneans/Maccabees were holy men and warriors. That is a Jewish tradition from the time of Joshua. The concept of holy and pacifist is not a Jewish one.
Can't argue with that. Hitler did such a 'good' job on debasing an ancient symbol that it will always be linked to horror for me and most of the world.
I do feel sorry for those whom he nicked it from though and I got a shock when I first travelled in Asia where the original Swastika was common which startled the hell out of me until I realised (Plus it was the proper way around). I have no problem with their use of it. Quite apart from the inversion, there is a different contextual significance in the use of a swastika in an elegant Asian temple as opposed to one that's tattooed onto the forearms of a low-browed knuckle-dragging piece of skinhead trash (or on their t-shirts, etc).
As much relevance as Dredd Scott
Suxty years before 2002 was World War II, anti-war religious nuts had no rights.
I just did a quick Google on Rabbi Nebenzahl, he's uttered some "fighting words" of his own.
Well said, and exactly right.
Hear, hear! Sums it up perfectly.
BTW, I notice it didn't take long for the usual suspects to swarm into this thread all-a-weepy for the poor neo-Nazi who got his hair mussed and his kisser punched...*snicker*...
Then again, it never does...
Morgenthau is oft credited with many of the anti-Semitic policies and decisions of the FDR administration. In the post-war years his 'contributions' were glorified and he had quite the PR campaign...essentially summarized as "I wanted to save the European Jews from Hitler but THEY (points finger) wouldn't let me!"
Personally, I agree with the historical view that Morgenthau placed his position as Treasury Secretary above the importance of speaking out against US inaction against Nazi atrocities.
The most notorious action Morgenthau is associated with is the tragedy of the SS St. Louis. His friendship with the US Ambassador to Cuba is suspected to have been used to deflect criticism of the US to Cuba for disallowing the landing of the refugees.
While it was the State Department that controlled immigration policy in this period it cannot be dismissed that Morgenthau held tremendous sway in the FDR administration especially as the war time economy was ramping up.
Morgenthau was no hero and I agree with the estimate that he was a self-loathing Jew who was ahead of his time. One need not go far these days to find "Jews" who would readily turn Israel over to her enemies and who are embarrassed of being Jewish.
Harry Truman's comments about the Jews being 'selfish' were brought about by Morgenthau's post-war change of heart and attempt to redeem his image. In context, one must see that Truman's comments were not created in a vacuum. Morgenthau had not exhibited his pro-Jewish zeal during the war (when it really mattered) and then here he is after the war trying to influence the new US President for what was basically a publicity campaign. When the truth of the Holocaust made anti-Semitism uncouth Morgenthau seized on pro-Jewish postwar sympathies to further his own personal agenda.
In later years this telling incident has been 'reinterpreted' to demonstrate that Truman was the anti-Jewish bigot. Truman was just typical of his time with some of his views and he was far ahead of his time in that he implemented integration in the military. The PC crowd merely tried to rewrite history in their view to show that Jews could only be good guys and victims (now they rewrite it to show Jews are bad and Muslims are good). Morgenthau could do no wrong in their point of view because that point of view served their worldview.
But during the war he didn't sacrifice his career to try to save his fellow Jews when he had a chance.
Chiune Sugihara sacrificed his career to save Jews. And his life.
Raoul Wallenberg sacrificed his career to save Jews. And his life.
These men are heroes without equal.
Morgenthau...sorry.
A lot of this, of course, is open to discussion as is any historical subject. But my opinions of Morgenthau are firmly set if solely on his in-action before and during the war.
Very open minded of you. Good for you.
And I think the enemies of the USA deserve death. Be they foreign or domestic.
Puts me in good stead with the Rabbi to share a love of our respective countries that we would not only die for them, but kill for them. That's not 'fighting words' - that's PATRIOTISM.
YEAHHH!!!! Repeat this scene a few thousand times across the globe and anti-Semetism will soon be at an end.
The point you raise is valid - the real question is "Who decides when you can violently attack someone for wearing an "XYZ" on his shirt" - Do you really want a Hillary Clinton and a Barbra Boxer to have that power?
No comparison, pal. The Rabbi did the right thing. If everyone of us pummeled such scum they would quickly vanish. the First Amendement doesn't mean you can't get your ass kicked.
We need more rabbis like this one but, please rabbi, if you're going to start with throwing coffee, be sure to land a kick or a couple of punches before all of the coffee has hit the floor. In a fight your job is to make your opponent hurt, not make him mad.
I've got news for you, anyone reading the article in post 34 and the article thread topic recognizes that your representation of the incident is, politely, a fraud. Horse shit works too. That's OK though, we need to be protected from the coffee throwing liberals.
Have a nice day.
I would be holed up in Montana organizing a large militia.
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