Posted on 04/19/2005 6:27:24 AM PDT by mike182d
CHICAGO (CNS) -- Before the cardinals locked into the Sistine Chapel had a chance to cast their first ballot April 18, a group protesting the lack of women's voices in the conclave gathered outside Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago to send up billows of bright pink smoke along with prayers for women to be heard. The event featured statements from several organizations supporting the ordination of women that called on the church to open its doors fully to women's participation. "At a time when young women are sold into slavery around the world, when war brings the rape of women, when it is women and children who suffer in poverty on earth and organized religions keep women in bondage celebrating the language of a male God, we know we cannot keep the silence demanded by male leadership in a church that claims to speak out for human rights," said Dominican Sister Donna Quinn, a member of the National Coalition of American Nuns.
I bake a killer pecan pie and I knit little sweaters for all my babies who are now making their own babies.
But tell me to shut up and I'll whack you up side of the head with this rolling pin.
(I can't believe no one has gotten your allusion yet!)
see #160
Ha, ha...he's just a man. Yes, they would say that no doubt. Well, they'll find out eventually.
God made women to give physical birth. God made man to give spiritual birth. It's His plan and it's perfect. It's also a good test to see whether people are telling the truth when they say, "Jesus is Lord" or whether they think they are wiser than God.
Right. I never thought being a mother was beneath me. It was an honor and I am proud of it. Plus, our kids today are honest, upright citizens who are hard workers, raising a family of their own, respect me and their dad and most of all love each other very, very much. Motherhood and Fatherhood...two of the greatest jobs you could have no matter WHAT the feminists try to spew. What do they have anyway? Bitterness and anger is all. I'll take what I have any day of the week.
Actually, he was quoting a movie... that's the allusion I was speaking of...
Wait a minute there!. You are telling me that the Bible says that the man rules the house?????. Doesn't the wife have a say in there?. Shouldn't husband and wife lead the home equally??????. I am completely against this nun, and think like most of you that perhaps she should choose a religion that fits her convinience better. But now I am wondering, should I also look for another religion?.
Biblicaly the Husband is head of the house. Which means he's the one responsible to God for what happens. Just like Adam had to answer for what happened in Eden, even though Eve was the first to bite of the fruit.
Does the wife have a say? Sure! but once again the husband is still the one responsible to God for the decisions.
Obviously some things aren't life and death, or huge spiritual matters. I doubt God really cares what color car you get (as long as its not black). But it all comes down to the heart attitude by BOTH people. Before any one says that the husband RULES the house, they need to understand the awesome responsibilty that is placed there. Ephesians 5:23-5:30. A man should love his wife as Christ loves the Church. So that right there puts an awful lot of responsibility on the mans actions. EVERYTHING he does, and says should be for his wifes well being. Now that doesn't mean he gives her everything she wants, because Christ doesn't give us everything we want.
Anyone who preaches that men and women are equal in there roles is out to lunch. The Bible is clear what the responsibilities of each is. If they use the lame excuse that Paul was writing to a cultural issue. Examine Paul, he didn't back down from anyone, he'd tell them just as it was. He didn't preach certain ways, because he didn't want to offend some.
Also, if people say that things applied to things back then, but not today. Remember God doesn't change. People and society change. If you feel far from God guess who moved. The same applies to principals in the Bible. If society doesn't apply to the Bible guess who changed.
Well, a divorce is a huge spiritual matter, at least for me, and it's driving me crazy from the moral perspective. I got divorce for the way my husband treated me, without even a little bit of respect, and having his mom rule our family. I thought that it was my mistake (although at the bottom of my heart I still think the guy mislead me very badly; maybe without bad intention, he just lives in an irreal world), so I thought that I would put up with it forever. But then we had a son, and I got divorced so that at least half of my son's life wasn't so bad (yes, it was a relief for me too).
According then to the Bible, is he morally responsible for our divorce?. Are you a Catholic by any chance?. I am.
BTW, I was thinking of asking for the annulment. For what I read, if one of the spouses were not ready to take the vows, and he obviosly was not, the marriage is null. I guess that Benedict XVI will harden the rules, as right now they are too "soft", right?.
I'm glad that it bothers you from a moral perspective. It shows that your heart is tender towards the will of God. But your divorce is now in the past, and if either one of you are remarried, thats where its stays. God doesn't condemn someone for divorce. But their might be consequences because of it. There are always consequences for sin. Sometimes thoughs consequences affect others.
I got divorce for the way my husband treated me, without even a little bit of respect, and having his mom rule our family. I thought that it was my mistake (although at the bottom of my heart I still think the guy mislead me very badly; maybe without bad intention, he just lives in an irreal world), so I thought that I would put up with it forever.
Your ex-husbands first and foremost concern, other than his relationship with Christ, was your physical, emotional, and spiritual well being. Obviously I don't know the whole story. But from what you've mentioned, it seems like he was remiss in some of those areas. He had responsibilities before God for your whole well being. If he drove you away, then he has to answer to God for that. His sins will affect both you and your son. At the same time, if you were at any fault, you also have responsibility before God. The wonderful thing for both you and your husband, is that God is a gracious and merciful God for those who follow and obey him.
Are you a Catholic by any chance?. I am.
No I'm not. But I am a Christian. Which to me means that Jesus died for my sins, he is the promised Messiah, and he is the only one who can forgive my sins, and is the ONLY way to heaven.
BTW, I was thinking of asking for the annulment. For what I read, if one of the spouses were not ready to take the vows, and he obviosly was not, the marriage is null. I guess that Benedict XVI will harden the rules, as right now they are too "soft", right?.
As of this, I don't know. Annulment is something from the Catholic church, not mentioned in the Bible.
I'd like to know which woman out there actually WANTS to be Pope. I am a woman. I think this is so ridiculous it's funny.
It would take me to winter to knit a sweater!
You crochet. Me too. My mother tried her best to teach me when I was growing up but I could never learn how. Then when our older daughter was little, I tried to crochet her a sweater. Well, it was so tight and small that it fit her doll! I still have it up in the attic somewhere. I bought a small instruction book which had crocheting, knitting, tatting and embroidery in it and taught myself. It is a lot of fun and is relaxing. It is also amazing what you can learn by crocheting where there are other people around. They must think that because I am crocheting that I can not hear!! Duh!
If you were knitting it for me,,it might take you a year. :^}
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