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Papal hopeful is a former Hitler Youth
timesonline.co.uk ^ | 4-17-05 | Justin Sparks

Posted on 04/18/2005 6:51:26 AM PDT by TXBSAFH

The Sunday Times - World

April 17, 2005

Papal hopeful is a former Hitler Youth Justin Sparks, Munich, John Follain and Christopher Morgan, Rome

THE wartime past of a leading German contender to succeed John Paul II may return to haunt him as cardinals begin voting in the Sistine Chapel tomorrow to choose a new leader for 1 billion Catholics. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, whose strong defence of Catholic orthodoxy has earned him a variety of sobriquets — including “the enforcer”, “the panzer cardinal” and “God’s rottweiler” — is expected to poll around 40 votes in the first ballot as conservatives rally behind him.

Although far short of the requisite two-thirds majority of the 115 votes, this would almost certainly give Ratzinger, 78 yesterday, an early lead in the voting. Liberals have yet to settle on a rival candidate who could come close to his tally.

Unknown to many members of the church, however, Ratzinger’s past includes brief membership of the Hitler Youth movement and wartime service with a German army anti- aircraft unit.

Although there is no suggestion that he was involved in any atrocities, his service may be contrasted by opponents with the attitude of John Paul II, who took part in anti-Nazi theatre performances in his native Poland and in 1986 became the first pope to visit Rome’s synagogue.

“John Paul was hugely appreciated for what he did for and with the Jewish people,” said Lord Janner, head of the Holocaust Education Trust, who is due to attend ceremonies today to mark the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

“If they were to appoint someone who was on the other side in the war, he would start at a disadvantage, although it wouldn’t mean in the long run he wouldn’t be equally understanding of the concerns of the Jewish world.”

The son of a rural Bavarian police officer, Ratzinger was six when Hitler came to power in 1933. His father, also called Joseph, was an anti-Nazi whose attempts to rein in Hitler’s Brown Shirts forced the family to move home several times.

In 1937 Ratzinger’s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the Führer’s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.

He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. “Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer.

Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slaves from Dachau concentration camp.

Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot — adding that his gun was not even loaded — because of a badly infected finger. He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp.

He has since said that although he was opposed to the Nazi regime, any open resistance would have been futile — comments echoed this weekend by his elder brother Georg, a retired priest ordained along with the cardinal in 1951.

“Resistance was truly impossible,” Georg Ratzinger said. “Before we were conscripted, one of our teachers said we should fight and become heroic Nazis and another told us not to worry as only one soldier in a thousand was killed. But neither of us ever used a rifle against the enemy.”

Some locals in Traunstein, like Elizabeth Lohner, 84, whose brother-in-law was sent to Dachau as a conscientious objector, dismiss such suggestions. “It was possible to resist, and those people set an example for others,” she said. “The Ratzingers were young and had made a different choice.”

In 1937 another family a few hundred yards away in Traunstein hid Hans Braxenthaler, a local resistance fighter. SS troops repeatedly searched homes in the area looking for the fugitive and his fellow conspirators. “When he was betrayed and the Nazis came for him, Braxenthaler shot himself because he knew he couldn’t escape,” said Frieda Meyer, 82, Ratzinger’s neighbour and childhood friend. “Even though they had tortured him in Dachau concentration camp he refused to give up his resistance efforts.”

Despite question marks over Ratzinger’s wartime conduct, the main obstacle to his prospects in the conclave — the assembly of cardinals to elect the new pope — is the conservative stance he has adopted as guardian of Catholic orthodoxy since John Paul named him to head the congregation for the doctrine of the faith in 1981.

His condemnations are legion — of women priests, married priests, dissident theologians and homosexuals, whom he has declared to be suffering from an “objective disorder”.

He upset many Jews with a statement in 1987 that Jewish history and scripture reach fulfilment only in Christ — a position denounced by critics as “theological anti-semitism”. He made more enemies among other religions in 2000, when he signed a document, Dominus Jesus, in which he argued: “Only in the Catholic church is there eternal salvation”.

Some of his staunchest critics are in Germany. A recent poll in Der Spiegel, the news magazine, showed opponents of a Ratzinger papacy outnumbered supporters by 36% to 29%.

As one western cardinal who was in two minds about him put it: “He would probably be a great pope, but I have no idea how I would explain his election back home.”

One liberal theologian,when asked what he thought of a Ratzinger papacy, was more direct: “It fills me with horror.”


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To: worldclass
A former boss of mine was in Hitler Youth.

I don't know for sure, but wouldn't be surprised to learn that a former boss of mine was in the Hitler Youth as well--altough he would have been only 6-8 years old, so maybe not. Interesting, he looked identical to Omar Shariff, especially when he was younger (in the 70s-80s...I saw this in pictures of him). Occasionally, I would hear him on the phone--he usually spoke in German with his German colleagues--and I would hear him say "Heil Hitler" when he was getting ready to hang up. My DH says it was probably done in gest between two "old" colleagues...nothing serious intended by it. He was a very difficult man to work with, although personally I had no problems with him; but he sure alienated everyone else in the organization. He was an incredibly smart man, a genius in his field, an inventor (blood dialyzers for kidney dialysis treatment)...I will never forget him.

61 posted on 04/18/2005 8:00:05 AM PDT by nfldgirl ("I love a good rant every now-n-then!")
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To: lady lawyer
Regardless, the Church teaches that while homosexuality is certainly objectively disordered, homosexuals are not themselves denounced.

The Times deliberately used a falsehood to make Cardinal Ratzinger seem "scarier."

62 posted on 04/18/2005 8:03:17 AM PDT by B Knotts (Ioannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: billbears

It's a smear because the salient facts -- including the fact that membership was compulsory -- is buried in the story and undermines the splashy headline.


63 posted on 04/18/2005 8:04:21 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "You're so right, AmishDude" -- beyond the sea; "Agreed." -- torchthemummy)
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To: Lazamataz
The Pope is a baby-strangling, Jew-gassing, Hitler-praising Nazi.

If Cardinal Ratzinger is elected, that will be the headline in the New York Times.

64 posted on 04/18/2005 8:04:28 AM PDT by B Knotts (Ioannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: WKUHilltopper
It takes a while to get used to me.

Of course, it also takes a while to get used to Herpes.

65 posted on 04/18/2005 8:04:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (They taunted and gloated with perverse kitty pictures....)
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To: Campion

Yep


66 posted on 04/18/2005 8:06:05 AM PDT by visualops (Cardinal Ratzinger: Putting the smackdown on heresy since 1981.)
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To: B Knotts
If Cardinal Ratzinger is elected, that will be the headline in the New York Times

And Katie Couric will be on Good Morning America, interviewing someone, and she'll do the old 'some say' thing. It will sound like this: "Some say the Pope is a baby-strangling, Jew-gassing, Hitler-praising Nazi who was second-in-command of the Third Reich. Some say the Pope helped Hitler write "Mein Kampf" when he was in prison. Some say the Pope took great joy in personally shooting Jews. Can you comment?"

67 posted on 04/18/2005 8:08:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (They taunted and gloated with perverse kitty pictures....)
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To: TXBSAFH

And this headline just in:

"Apostle to the Gentiles Former Christian Persecuter!"


68 posted on 04/18/2005 8:10:31 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: TXBSAFH

That's right. The Hitlerjugend attempted to build sound bodies at least, if not deep thought. They spent a lot of time on long hikes and swimming and singing while hiking if not while swimming.


69 posted on 04/18/2005 8:10:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: MeanWestTexan

oops - great minds think alike!


70 posted on 04/18/2005 8:11:26 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: AmishDude
Oh yes, buried. All of halfway down. 4th paragraph states he was not involved in any atrocities but does point out the irony between his service and JPII. One third of the way down it states clearly

He quickly won a dispensation on account of his training at a seminary. Ratzinger was only briefly a member of the Hitler Youth and not an enthusiastic one,” concluded John Allen, his biographer.

Yeah, real buried. All media reports need something to catch the attention of the reader and the headline does its job well. I don't see a smear at all. It's explained quite well.

71 posted on 04/18/2005 8:13:18 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears

I'm not Catholic either, but I care who the pope is because he influences more than a billion people. That makes it worth caring about.


72 posted on 04/18/2005 8:15:45 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Heteronormative and PROUD!!)
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To: billbears

Read further.


73 posted on 04/18/2005 8:31:09 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AD fan club: "You're so right, AmishDude" -- beyond the sea; "Agreed." -- torchthemummy)
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To: TXBSAFH
Who is writing for them, Ward Churchill? The old "he was a Nazi" thing is getting pretty thin isn't it? Anyone who grew up in Germany during the years of WWII was a Hilter Youth. I'm sure many people on FR know personally people who were HY's, it was practically mandatory in Germany.
74 posted on 04/18/2005 8:32:20 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; vox_freedom; Gerard.P; te lucis; narses; Mershon; rogator; Robert Drobot; ...
He upset many Jews with a statement in 1987 that Jewish history and scripture reach fulfilment only in Christ — a position denounced by critics as “theological anti-semitism”. He made more enemies among other religions in 2000, when he signed a document, Dominus Jesus, in which he argued: “Only in the Catholic church is there eternal salvation”.

What arrogance Ratzinger displays. /sarcasm

“theological anti-semitism”

Does anyone else find that term as humorous as I do?

75 posted on 04/18/2005 8:33:26 AM PDT by murphE (Never miss an opportunity to kiss the hand of a holy priest.)
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To: RightWhale
Now you are really scaring me, that sounds like a fat camp, and you know fat people are now on "The List" don't you? Please don't give the thought/eating police any ammunition.
76 posted on 04/18/2005 8:38:57 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: TXBSAFH
He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941

This sort of puts the word "joined" into perspective. That being said, I'd be more worried about his age (78) than anything else, although some may actually favor a short term figure after one of the longest serving (and toughest acts to follow) Popes in history.

77 posted on 04/18/2005 8:39:02 AM PDT by katana
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To: clintonh8r

It remains to be seen just how much influence they truly have. The media is certainly trying hard to be influential in the situation. We will have to see the final vote tally before we can say anything about their actual influence.


78 posted on 04/18/2005 8:51:56 AM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: TXBSAFH
Because this election can be so unpredictable, every Cardinal is getting a littl of the smearing, even the unlikely ones. (Consider, how likely was a Polish pope the last time around?) There was even a story how one Cardinal like pasta a la puttenesca, which is literally, pasta a la prostitute. (Oh, my, horrors! No!)

TS

79 posted on 04/18/2005 9:02:34 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I teach Environmental Science in high school. Scary, isn't it?)
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To: murphE
From article: He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp.

That pretty much sums up his "involvement" as far as I'm concerned. Of course, there is no way to appease those who want to impugn Card Ratzinger and his decades of service to God and man.

80 posted on 04/18/2005 9:27:27 AM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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