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Mystery Flight (More info about 2 pass. of KLM flight on the no fly list)
Newsweek ^ | Apr. 25, 2005 issue | Mark Hosenball and Michael Hirsh

Posted on 04/16/2005 9:26:56 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Fifteen minutes after KLM Flight 685 took off from Amsterdam for Mexico City on April 8, Mexican authorities forwarded the names of all the passengers to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. The reason: the flight was scheduled to pass through U.S. airspace.

by the time the Boeing 747 had finished its three-hour crossing of the Atlantic, Homeland Security screeners were on high alert. The names of two Saudi passengers aboard the KLM flight had begun producing "hits" on the screening center's lists of 70,000 suspect foreigners.

The two Saudis, the database reported, were brothers and pilots who had attended the same Arizona flight school as 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour. Soon the multiplicity of U.S. terror databases started pumping out similar hits. Fearing that Flight 685 might be a 9/11-style plot in the making, U.S. authorities refused the plane overflight rights, and Canada rejected a request to land. Much to the chagrin of its 278 passengers, the KLM jet made an exhausting odyssey back to Amsterdam.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


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To: Stingy Dog

Fits for me.

Though I think I'd rather have seen them turnned loose naked amidst all the relatives of those who died in 911 . . . say on some lawless island somewhere.


61 posted on 04/17/2005 5:42:21 AM PDT by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: FairOpinion
The flight turned back to Amsterdam, where they were made to get off, then released, they probably caught the next flight to Mexico, which didn't fly over US airspace..........

...............where they proceeded to illegally cross Americas Southern border in secret in preparation for a terrorist act within the US.

................where they proceeded to a large Northern Mexican city where they could book a flight such that there would be NO 3 hour lead time to get a warning before the plane that they hijacked was plowed into Houston, San Diego or LA.

62 posted on 04/17/2005 5:54:42 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DoctorMichael

The ringleader of the AQ Mexico/South American operation Jafar the Pilot (Adnan G. El Shukrijumah) is still at large...

http://www.as-sa.org/terroralert.html


63 posted on 04/17/2005 6:01:29 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Thanks.


64 posted on 04/17/2005 6:06:09 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DoctorMichael

Suspicious Muslim passenger was removed by Special Operations Forces from Boston-bound British Airways Flight 0215 on 4/3 at Heathrow...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1385409/posts


65 posted on 04/17/2005 6:23:34 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: FairOpinion
The flight turned back to Amsterdam, where they were made to get off, then released, they probably caught the next flight to Mexico, which didn't fly over US airspace.

And even as we speak they are migrating across the southern border...no problems there../sarcasm

66 posted on 04/17/2005 7:21:31 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Dead on.. Keep up the good work!

Vigilance is key!


67 posted on 04/17/2005 8:57:46 AM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (Death, oppressive Taxes, and Marxism... the legacy of liberal US Democrats)
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To: Paleo Conservative

" U.S. officials fear that Latin America, and more particularly Mexico—with its porous U.S. border—may become a staging ground for Al Qaeda."




If all of us regular folks on the internet are aware of this,why the hell aren't our "leaders" aware of this?


68 posted on 04/17/2005 11:12:12 AM PDT by Mears ("The Killer Queen,caviar and cigarettes")
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To: pageonetoo; MeekOneGOP; FairOpinion; Stingy Dog
Have you ever heard of the thing about..."illegal search"?

I don't think the federal government should be in charge of security; it should be the airline's responsibility. I think that the stockholders of the airline ought to be able to authorize the management to search anyone who wants to board its airplanes it damned well pleases, or do you think the constitutional right to property should be abolished?

69 posted on 04/17/2005 7:24:44 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: pageonetoo; MeekOneGOP; FairOpinion; Stingy Dog
Have you ever heard of the thing about..."illegal search"?

I don't think the federal government should be in charge of security; it should be the airline's responsibility. I think that the stockholders of the airline ought to be able to authorize the management to search anyone who wants to board its airplanes it damned well pleases, or do you think the constitutional right to property should be abolished?

70 posted on 04/17/2005 7:26:01 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative; PhilDragoo; devolve; pageonetoo
I don't think the federal government should be in charge of security; it should be the airline's responsibility. I think that the stockholders of the airline ought to be able to authorize the management to search anyone who wants to board its airplanes it damned well pleases, or do you think the constitutional right to property should be abolished?

bump!


71 posted on 04/17/2005 7:39:33 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: MeekOneGOP


Slick Willie once taught Constitutional Law at a university.

During his impeachment hearings Slick said "I am not a Constitutional Scholar"!

Now I see many FReepers (SLeepers?) fabricating "private rights" when attempting to board commercial passenger aircraft.

One on FR posted "if a terrorist gets thru......."???????

What?


His Justice Ginsberg worldview of "rights" and "liberties" is that sub-human Islamic terrorists should not be searched at airports as it offends his/her personal agenda.

Many here on FR served or are serving in the US military - from JR down a new green NG volunteer

As much as I have contempt for Bill Clinton - I doubt that these on FR "inventing" new rights can stand up to Professor Clinton on Constitutional Law - Slick knew it and used it in unlawful ways

But Slick never had any Muslim pilots flying Air Force One or handling his luggage.

He also did not give a lift to Mohammed and In-Sani.

If you attempt to enter a bar in NYC and the bouncer stops you and turns you away you have no recourse under law.

The airline industry is a private business - you want to fly - you and your baggage are subject to security searches, scanners, head-scans, ID checking, striping to the skin if you are suspect.

Don't like it?

Walk.

Swim.

Drive.







72 posted on 04/17/2005 8:29:18 PM PDT by devolve (My WWII Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WhiteCliffsOfDover.html - more traffic than DU-Koz-LDot -)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Paleo Conservative; pageonetoo; devolve; Grampa Dave; potlatch; ntnychik
But John Kerry said the threat of terrorism has been exaggerated.

And Norman Mineta has our national security as his [third or fourth] priority.

While an elite corps of uniformed screeners gropes babes and humiliates granny and World War II veterans--but not more than two males of Middle Eastern descent--prior to [some, but not necessarily all or most] flights.

We got the culprit after the last botched FBI investigation--Colleen Rowley.

We don't need to be concerned about our border with Mexico because that would be racist and would result in cabbages costing more than a Lexus.

Rrrrrrrip!

Meanwhile, on Earth:

Why we didn't contract El Al security consultants to design our response is a case study in multicultural politically correct death wish.

The proper response to finding these perps on planes en route to our air space is not to turn the flight around and release them at the embarkation point--release them in flight, and if they survive it is the will of Allah.

Or, in the more humanitarian alternative, we shuttle them to Suncoast Hospice and lavish them with the euphoric ecstasy of starvation and dehydration.

In any event, just because they are terrorists does not mean we can violate their constitutional rights--wait, it does.

But just because they are nonuniformed combatants doesn't mean we can detain them indefinitely--now that we broach that topic, we can do precisely that.

Let Ted Kennedy stick to getting plastered and suffocating young women in his Oldsmobile, and leave the nation's security to sober adults.

73 posted on 04/17/2005 8:41:30 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

Tell us how you really feel, Phil!

How is it, when nearly the whole cabinet was replaced in January, that Mineta wasn't the FIRST TO GO? What am I missing?


74 posted on 04/17/2005 8:53:17 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; Paleo Conservative; pageonetoo; devolve; Grampa Dave; potlatch
How is it, when nearly the whole cabinet was replaced in January, that Mineta wasn't the FIRST TO GO? What am I missing?

Mineta should have been out the door on 9-12-01.

75 posted on 04/17/2005 9:03:42 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Mineta should have been out the door on 9-12-01.

Agreed!

76 posted on 04/17/2005 9:17:21 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: PhilDragoo; SMARTY; FairOpinion; ThreePuttinDude; nothingnew
"...release them in flight, and if they survive it is the will of Allah.

I love it. Why didn't I think of that first?

Touché......very funny.Could also enroll them in Egypt's suicide Boing 737 suicide pilots' school.............

Char :)

77 posted on 04/17/2005 9:25:14 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I lost my car keys............so now I have to walk everywhere.......)
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To: Paleo Conservative


Mini-Mineta bump!


78 posted on 04/17/2005 9:28:59 PM PDT by devolve (My WWII Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WhiteCliffsOfDover.html - more traffic than DU-Koz-LDot -)
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To: PhilDragoo

Wow, you are energised today!!


79 posted on 04/17/2005 9:48:58 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Paleo Conservative

80 posted on 04/17/2005 9:49:53 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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