Posted on 04/16/2005 7:51:04 PM PDT by jla
"We know nothing really about her, but by God, Condi is our gal!" --- Anonymous Freeper
I've repeatedly asked here at FR for anyone to tell me *CONDI'S* stand on a number of issues ranging from economics to school prayer.
I have yet to receive one reply to my queries on where Miss Rice stands on a number of issues.
So can someone please tell me, especially you, Section 9, why I should be excited about a possible Condi Rice presidency run?
FYI: Miss R. in my opinion will prove to be an excellent Sec of State. But POTUS? Sorry, unlike a lot of Freepers my vote requires more than a cute smile or even worse, a fanatical appreciation of the Condi stare.
No wonder so many here can't seem to get behind Tom DeLay.
That sounds remarkably like the President's own views.
I haven't endorsed Condi for POTUS. I've simply taken the antithesis of the position thatou posted with the following remark;
If she were a white male, most would have trouble remembering her name. Would she be considered spectacular? She is considered that as much because of what she is and where she came from as much as what she has done (which is pretty fancy but not off the charts). Besides, academic and political staff uber-achievement is not indicative of good political skills. She is a black female serving an (R) president and would assumedly run as an (R).
Her contributions in the WOT are very important. As I said: Condoleeza Rice has been the National Security Advisor to the POTUS over the last four years. That makes her the chief adviser to the POTUS on security issues and foreign policy. Three of the past four years includes the WOT during which time a remarkable effort has been made and a remarkable result has been achieved in the WOT. Rice now appears to be continuing her important work as SOS.
Did you go Ga-Ga over Colin too?
Your question follows logically from nothing that I've said. That makes your question "ga-ga".
Do you think she singlehandedly formed Bush's foreign policy? Hardly in my view.
"Singlehandedly" is how you put the question. Nice straw-man attempt.
I think she simply appeals to your emotive reasoning about who would "look good" to run and substance is secondary.
Again, I've not endorsed her. You emote stupidity.
That is almost word-for-word the same view as President Bush has.
I have to agree with you.
Long live the Republic.
I suppose many can't get past the outward appearance of being a black female. That trips many up.You know, over the last couple years I've read dozens upon dozens of threads about Condi the presidential candidate. On nearly everyone of them the race card gets played: "people don't want condi because she's black" or the gender card: "republicans aren't ready for a female president."
If Condi runs and loses it won't be becuase she's black or female, though if you claim that's what happened, the media will quite gleefully quote you. She will lose because she is pro-choice. I couldn't give a rat's behind what color or gender she was. Before I learned she was pro-choice I thought she was perfect: smart, photogenic, disciplined, pro-2A, you name it. I liked her, and still do, but I won't vote for a pro-choicer or a tepid pro-lifer, which is about as far as she can credibly move at this point. People work their buts off to try to claim she is not pro-choice, but I've read the quotes and she isn't convincing, not to the pro-life volunteers that make things happen. Pro-choice appears to be where her heart lies, from her comments, and pro-lifers will not campaign for her. I spent a ton of time on the last campaign. I don't care if its Condi, Rudy, or whomever. I won't bother if they are the nominee, it just isn't worth the personal sacrifice to make someone like that president.
No Republican becomes president without the pro-lifers. Just doesn't happen, and race has nothing to do with it.
patent
25% of the electorate isn't gonna do it.
Haley Barbour should have been in the poll.
SO9
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/ricebio.html
Dr. Rice is probably the least political of the current administration. No nonsense, smart, articulate. I'd say she's an inspiration to not only the black community but to a broad cross section of Americans everywhere. She's also from the South, fairly easy on the eyes, seems to be in good health and a fine piano player as well. :o) Not your usual Presidential candidate but that may well be part of her appeal. JMHO
"Miss Rice said abortion should be "as rare a circumstance as possible," although without excessive government intervention. "We should not have the federal government in a position where it is forcing its views on one side or the other. The "rare as possible" position was also espoused by Hillary.
It is also the position President Bush has stated:
~ Hardball With Chris Matthews 05/31/2000And another:
Matthews: [Clinton] said he was going to make abortion safe, legal and rare,…So why ban it ?
Gov. Bush: I think the key is, is to change the culture first and foremost. I don't think anybody is under—I don't believe people believe it can be banned. I believe we can do everything we can to make it, as the president [Clinton] said, more rare.
Getting the federal government out of the abortion debate and returning the question to the states (which is what overturning Roe v. Wade would do) is also the position Bush has taken.~ Larry King Live, 12/16/1999: Bush said "We need to convince people that abortion is—ought to be rare—…
Well I guess that settles it. You win. You're too smart for me.
that is essentially my view
but that does not diminish that she has been a capable asset to the president
The way I read it, she is against the federal government banning abortion in any instance except for third-trimester abortions. She would let individual states ban first and second tri-mester abortions if they wish (in an overturn of Roe v. Wade).
"So, for instance, I've tended to agree with those who do not favor federal funding for abortion, because I believe that those who hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund it."
She's not saying that she is on the other side, she's saying that of the two sides in the debate those on the pro-life side should not be forced to finance those on the abortion side.
Gee, I thought you won when you identified my "emotive reasoning".
Hey wardaddy, if you want a little respect that you really ought to give it.
I can't tell you.
IMO Condi is fine - intelligent, gifted, loyal etc. but ... she is not a leader.
If Shrillary runs, we don't have to run a woman to beat her and that's why IMO most people think we should run Condi - woman against woman.
Sorry - times are too serious for that kind of social experimenting - if we are to elect a woman now she needs to be a Maggie Thatcher type and those aren't exactly "thick on the ground".
That was exactly my point to another poster. It was a comment taken out of context.
Very few Republicans are in favor of banning abortion at the national level. Most want the decision returned to the individual states to decide. You will not see a federal ban on all abortion in your lifetime. Though I fully expect Roe v. Wade to be overturned and the decision left to the individual state legislatures.
Name any potential Presidential candidate who is in favor of a federal ban on abortion.
That needs to be said again.
Sounds like a good conservative. The President has no power to ban abortion. It is a matter for the states to decide. Reagan did not ban it either.
She is against the federal government telling states that they have to allow abortion which is the current state of affairs. No credible Republican potential Presidential candidate is calling for a federal ban on abortion.
Sorry, the fact that she is a black woman is highlighted by her supporters as a winning demographic thru the fantasy that she will grab black and women votes in huge numbers
I try not to use "racial identity" in determining my ideal POTUS candidate but i'll bite just for the helluvit: I don't see a viable Conservative black candidate for POTUS. Were there, I would surely support that person if they showed momentum for the nomination.. As for Dr Rice's skin color...hmm..I think her gender would be a bigger issue for the usual (R) voter.
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