Posted on 04/12/2005 2:43:56 PM PDT by ninenot
Dems consistently win the Catholic vote. Exit polls have shown that Catholics voted mostly for Bill Clinton in 92 and 96, and Al Gore by the slight margin of 2 percentage points over Republican George W. Bush (49% to 47%) in 2000.
Many blue states have large pockets of catholics (Mass, NY, IL) and local politics there are not notably conservative at all. Clearly many nominal catholics support democrats in office, and that means pursuing a pro-choice agenda.
Many Catholics are quietly pro choice and think it's no big deal. I think they are wrong, but I don't think that makes the phenomenon untrue.
Yeah, because they will kill anyone who votes differently (just look at CAIR).
>>>>IIRC, this is precisely the position HRC has taken, recently, and loudly.
It is, but its exactly like the other "new" democratic positions. Its a retread, a tired, worn out retread that has wholly failed to gain them any traction. They need a new way of lying to us, if they hope to win.
patent
I agree with you. The fact remains that we have a lot of self identified Catholics who aren't very Catholic. Many of those are pro abortion. Sad but true.
"You'll have to make sacrifices for the common good".
She also used the word "collective" in the same speech.
great post!
Two more points:
First: Most Mexicans (America's fastest growing minority) crossing the border are Catholic and are most certainly not social leftists, abortion-lovers, lavender sympathizers, et al.
Second: If you factor out the non-church goers (about half of those considering themselves Catholic), the actually Catholic (i.e. church-going) vote is very heavily Republican. Bear in mind that in the lifetime of baby boomers, the Catholic Church USED to be known as "The Democratic Party at prayer."
Two more points:
First: Most Mexicans (America's fastest growing minority) crossing the border are Catholic and are most certainly not social leftists, abortion-lovers, lavender sympathizers, et al.
Second: If you factor out the non-church goers (about half of those considering themselves Catholic), the actually Catholic (i.e. church-going) vote is very heavily Republican. Bear in mind that in the lifetime of baby boomers, the Catholic Church USED to be known as "The Democratic Party at prayer."
The ugly truth is: Mrs. Clinton doesn't have to speak on any issue. She has a free pass.
I disagree.
X42 used that line, too--except X42 was obviously a leering lothario--he had zero credibility.
HRC has credibility if only because she's still married to X42, and so far, knowledge of her criminal activities in campaigns (and while she pulled rank in the WH) has been obscured nicely.
So far...
Best news in a long time.
Solution: Punish bishops.
Dems consistently win the Catholic vote.Two things. First, that has changed, and you are out of date. See below.
Second, even had you been correct, that would not prove they are pro-abortion. Most people arent single issue voters, and many Catholics voted democratic, despite being pro-life, because of other issues. I strongly disagree with that mentality, but it was very clearly out there.
Exit polls have shown that Catholics voted mostly for Bill Clinton in 92 and 96, and Al Gore by the slight margin of 2 percentage points over Republican George W. Bush (49% to 47%) in 2000.First, Is there some reason you dont quote the last election? I would have thought that since you were claiming that Catholics are presently by and large pro abortion that you would want to be quoting the most recent polls. The polls in the last election prove Catholics are rather clearly for President Bush, even up against a catholic candidate, which would seem to indicate that by the standard of measurement you chose to rely on to prove your claim, Catholics are in fact pro-life.
Second, those polls include people who never go to Church and dont believe anything the Church teaches. If you limit it to actual weekly churchgoers, the Catholics have been voting pro-life for quite some time.
Many blue states have large pockets of catholics (Mass, NY, IL) and local politics there are not notably conservative at all. Clearly many nominal catholics support democrats in office, and that means pursuing a pro-choice agenda.CINOs hardly prove your point. Relying on folks who largely left the Church because it was pro-life and they werent really doesnt prove that those of us who are still in the Church are pro-abortion. I've lived in some of the pockets you name (born in IL, lived in MA), and I can tell you that a great deal of the so called "catholic" population left the Church some time ago.
I really hope you can see the logical fallacy in your arguement here.
Many Catholics are quietly pro choice and think it's no big deal. I think they are wrong, but I don't think that makes the phenomenon untrue.No, its the facts that make the phenomenon untrue.
patent
It's not just pro-life, it's the combination of pro-life and the defense of the traditional family. It took both of these issues to drive people to the polls.
Al Gore won the Catholic vote in 2000, 50-47.
Bush won the Catholic vote in 2004, 52-47.
That was the John Kerry strategy, try to not take sides of all issues. This won't work. If Hillary wants to win she is gonna have to support specific things such as banning partial birth abortions, parental notification, and oppose gay marriage. If Hillary does all those things, she will be sworn in as President in 2009. But I doubt she will.
>>>X42 used that line, too--except X42 was obviously a leering lothario--he had zero credibility.
True, but much of what X42 said was new at the time, and I'd suggest (but can't prove) that many were suckered into his "safe legal and rare" BS. Time proved it was BS. That should have been evident anyway, but I think given X42s skill as a politician, and his skill in crafting the BS message in a new way, helped him overcome the obstacles. I don't think Hillary has it, and I don't see anyone else comign forward convincingly yet. They'll find a new way to lie to us, but until then I'm not betting hillary convinces many, especially given her history.
patent
Actually the memo provides a nice opportunity to go for the jugular on Congressional, etc. votes and the damage to the RATS.
Ahead of votes that impact this issue, Repubs should raise the stakes and get as much medsia attention directed toward impending votes.
That will drive the Rats crazy as everytime they cast their pro-abortion votes they will see the margin among Catholic voters growing against them. Make the votes the focus not their talking heads spewing damage control attempts to describe themselves as they are not.
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