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Not In My Name (Two prominent Brit punits call Pope John Paul II and Catholicism evil.)
The Guardian ^ | April 8, 2003 | Polly Toynbee

Posted on 04/11/2005 7:48:47 PM PDT by quidnunc

How dare Tony Blair genuflect on our behalf before the corpse of a man whose edicts killed millions?

With the clash of two state funerals and a wedding, unreason is in full flood this week. Yet again, rationalists who thought they understood this secular, sceptical age have been shocked at the coverage from Rome.

The BBC airwaves have disgraced themselves. The Mail went mad with its front-page headlines, "Safe in Heaven" and the next day "Amen". Even this august organ, which sprang from the loins of nonconformist dissent, astounded many readers with its broad acres of Pope reverencing. Poor old Prince Rainier of that squalid little tax haven missed his full Hello! death rites through bad timing.

The arcane flummery brings forth dusty academics in Vaticanology, the Act of Settlement and laws of Monegasque succession. These pantomimes of power fascinate in their quaintness, but they signify nothing beyond momentary frisson.

The millions pouring into Rome (pray there is no Mecca-style disaster) herald no resurgence of Catholicism. The devout are there, but this is essentially a Diana moment, a Queen Mother's catafalque. People queue to join great public spectacles, hoping it's a tell-my-grandchildren event. Communing with public emotion is easy now travel is cheap. These things are driven by rolling, unctuous television telling people a great event is unfolding, focusing on the few hysterics in tears and not the many who come to feel their pain.

Bill Clinton had it right yesterday: "The man knows how to build a crowd." Curiously, the celebrity nature of this event — a must-do for 200 world leaders — signifies the opposite of what it seems. It shows how far people have forgotten what the church really is, how profoundly ignorant and indifferent they have become to history and theology. Hell, he was just a good ol' boy, wore white, blessed folk, prayed for peace — why not?

In Europe church attendance is plummeting, even in Poland, the heart of reactionary Catholicism. Here the young are clueless about the most basic Christian stories. How about the DJ who opened his show with "Happy Good Friday!" Art galleries now need to explain the agony in the garden, the raising of Lazarus and even the annunciation. In surveys, half the population couldn't say what Easter meant. It is precisely this insouciant ignorance that lets people emote with the flow; they know not what they do.

The Vatican is not a charming Monaco for tourists collecting Ruritanian stamps or gazing at past glories in the Sistine Chapel. It is a modern, potent force for cruelty and hypocrisy. It has weak temporal power, so George Bush can safely pray at the corpse of the man who criticised the Iraq war and capital punishment; it simply didn't matter as the Pope never made a serious issue of it or ordered the US church to take strong action.

The Vatican's deeper power is in its personal authority over 1.3 billion worshippers, which is strongest over the poorest, most helpless devotees. With its ban on condoms the church has caused the death of millions of Catholics and others in areas dominated by Catholic missionaries, in Africa and right across the world. In countries where 50% are infected, millions of very young Aids orphans are today's immediate victims of the curia. Refusing support to all who offer condoms, spreading the lie that the Aids virus passes easily through microscopic holes in condoms — this irresponsibility is beyond all comprehension.

This is said often, even in this unctuous week — and yet still it does not permeate. He was a good, caring man nevertheless, they say, as if it were a minor aberration. But genuflecting before this corpse is scarcely different to parading past Lenin: they both put extreme ideology before human life and happiness, at unimaginable human cost. How dare our prime minister go there in our name to give the Vatican our approval for this? Will he think of Africa when on his knees today? I trust history will some day express astonishment at moral outrage wasted on sexual trivia while papal celebrity and charisma cloaked this great Vatican crime.

The editor of the Catholic Herald was somewhat Jesuitical when I argued with him in a BBC studio yesterday. He asked how the Pope could be blamed when all the church calls for is sex within marriage and abstinence. But abstinence and celibacy are not the human condition. If the Vatican learned anything about humanity, it would humbly meditate on 4,450 Catholic clergy in the US alone accused of molesting children since 1950, and no doubt as many in Catholic churches elsewhere still in denial.

The scale of it is breathtaking yet not at all surprising: most humans are sexual beings. A Vatican edict in the 1960s threatened to excommunicate anyone breaking secrecy on child sex allegations, and guaranteed that ever more children continued to suffer. And within its walls the Vatican shields an American priest from allegations.

Still the Vatican turns a blind eye to this most repugnant and damaging of all sexual practices, the suffering little children whose priests come unto them. Yet at the same time it thunders disapproval of sex in every other more innocent circumstance, blighting the lives of millions with its teaching on gays, divorce, abortion and unrealistic self-denial. There is no reckoning how many of the world's poorest women have died giving birth to more children than they can survive; contraception is women's true saviour.

In 1971 I interviewed Mother Teresa and asked how she justified letting starving babies be born to die on Calcutta streets for lack of contraception. She said sublimely that every baby entering the world was another soul created in praise of God, even if it lived only a few hours. She was never keen on cures: suffering was a gift of God that enabled those who cared for the afflicted to demonstrate their love. She was beatified by John Paul II for their shared religious mania. Those who met them talk of an aura of love, power, listening and intensity. But goodness is in doing good; good intent is no excuse for murderous error.

Today's saccharine sanctimony will try to whiten the sepulchre of yet another Pope whose obscurantist faith has caused pointless suffering; it is no defence that he was only obeying higher orders.

At the funeral will be a convocation of mullahs, rabbis and all the other medieval faiths that increasingly conspire together against modernity. Islamic groups are sternly warning the Vatican to stand firm against liberal influences on homosexuality, abortion, contraception and the ordination of women. What is it about religion that unites them all on sex? It always expresses itself as disgust for women's bodies, leading to a need to suppress women altogether. Why is controlling women's bodies the shared battle flag of every faith?

Disgracefully, the European rich quietly ignore the church's outlandish teachings on contraception without rebelling on behalf of the helpless third-world poor who die for their misplaced faith. Those "civilised" Catholics have as much blood on their hands as the Vatican they support. They are like the Bollinger Bolsheviks who defended the USSR and a murderous ideology that they could do much to change. For today, just remember what lies beneath all this magnificent display.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; United Kingdom
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To: quidnunc

Catholicism may be growing but where does it dominate?


41 posted on 04/11/2005 8:31:08 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Rule # 4. When liberals have factual evidence that their position is wrong they ignore the evidence)
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To: quidnunc

So Sinead O'Connor writes for the Guardian, now?


42 posted on 04/11/2005 8:31:14 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: quidnunc
With the elevation of Bernard Law to another position AFTER the sex scandal and then the mass in honor of the "pope", that about takes the cake as far as I'm concerned. If a school principal knew that a teacher (or teachers) was/were molesting students and didn't fire him (or them, for that matter), (s)he would be fired and would never work in the profession again.

Why in the world Catholics tolerate this open and blatant hypocrisy absolutely stuns me.

43 posted on 04/11/2005 8:32:03 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: TASMANIANRED
TASMANIANRED wrote: Catholicism may be growing but where does it dominate?

The southern part if Nigeria for one place.

44 posted on 04/11/2005 8:32:44 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: sirjohn

Allowing Cardinal Law to perform a role of high honor in connection with the Pope's death, is symptomatic of the Catholic Church's obstinate and dangerous refusal to change when change is obviously called for. Vatican spokesmen explained that it was traditional for the holder of Law's position to perform this function, and so it must be done that way -- end of report. Makes as much sense as crusading against contraception in Calcutta.


45 posted on 04/11/2005 8:34:09 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: quidnunc
Ms. Toynbee is clueless.

The blood is on her hands and the hands of her acolytes. Those who have championed the idea of sexual liberation, free sex, promiscuity, sodomy, divorce and every other false "freedom" now turn and scream "murderer" at those who preach continence, self-control and fidelity when the bitter fruits of their misguided "freedom" come back to poison them in the form of lethal sexually transmitted diseases, unwanted children and broken families.

Those, like Mother Teresa and her religious order, who lovingly pick up the abandoned pieces of human detritus left to rot in the streets, are likewise vilified.

The suffering and miserey brought about by the "free-sex, abortion and contraception" crowd was predicted in 1968 by Pope Paul VI in his encyclical Humanae Vitae. The popular misconception, promoted by people like Ms. Toynbee, was that we all needed contraception in order to avoid unwanted babies, abortions and every other form of misery.

Paul VI said "no". Widespread promiscuity and contraception will have the opposite effect. It will result in ever more broken families, unwanted children, disease and an increased demand for abortion. Was he right? Of course he was. In 1973, five years after the encyclical, abortion was legalized in the US.

Why? Surely, the ever spreading use of pills and condoms should have dampened the need for killing the inconvenient fruits of fornication? It didn't and it hasn't. On the contrary, it has fueled it.

The responsibility for the epidemic of lethal sexually transmitted diseases is squarely on the shoulders of Ms. Toynbee and her sympathizers. The clear and consistent doctrine of the Catholic Church which emphasizes monogamy for the married and chastity for the unmarried is the only solution to the pestilence which fornication is spreading.

If Ms. Toynbee thinks that 1 millimeter of rubber is going to save her and western civilization from AIDS she is to be pitied. The fruits of her ideas are all around her. Britain has the highest rate of teen pregnancy and abortion in Europe, despite years of condom education in schools. This is assisting, not preventing the spread of disease.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

46 posted on 04/11/2005 8:35:14 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: ItsForTheChildren
tooooo funny...
So Sinead O'Connor writes for the Guardian, now???
47 posted on 04/11/2005 8:35:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: ModelBreaker
But the reasons this author gives for coverage being excessive are

Realizing the coverage is excessive is a visceral reaction, then comes the anlaysis. I think her instincts are right, but her rationalizarion is wrong.

48 posted on 04/11/2005 8:36:10 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (South Park Monarchist)
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To: quidnunc
Didn't know that. I knew the Evangelicals were growing by leaps and bounds but I didn't know about the Catholics.

Isn't Nigeria one of the places where the Religion of Peace is trying to kill as many Christians as possible.

Speaking of condoms and Christianity. It seems the only place in Africa that seems to have AIDS under something approaching control is Uganda where they stress Celibacy rather than Condoms. Is Uganda Christian.
49 posted on 04/11/2005 8:39:48 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Rule # 4. When liberals have factual evidence that their position is wrong they ignore the evidence)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

This woman makes Andy Rooney (almost) appear saintly.


50 posted on 04/11/2005 8:43:07 PM PDT by jla
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To: marshmallow
Toynbee is completely clueless about Catholic dogma.

I'm not Catholic but I know that:

In the 2000 years that the Church has been in existance no pope has ever reversed the dictates of any of his predecessors who were speaking ex cathedra, and

Pope Paul VI issued a papal encyclical which emphatically reaffirmed the Churches stance against birth control.

51 posted on 04/11/2005 8:43:09 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

This is just un-effin-believeable. The Guardian has outdone themselves. Amazing how God and religion frighten them so. How pathetic.


52 posted on 04/11/2005 8:47:21 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: TASMANIANRED
TASMANIANRED wrote: Is Uganda Christian.

The World Almanac says Uganda is 33% Catholic, 33% Protestant, 16% Muslim and 16% native religions.

53 posted on 04/11/2005 8:47:44 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: sirjohn

Cardinal Law did not do "THE" ceremony. Sorry.


54 posted on 04/11/2005 8:48:47 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
If a school principal knew that a teacher (or teachers) was/were molesting students and didn't fire him (or them, for that matter), (s)he would be fired and would never work in the profession again.

Three points. Number one, Cardinal Law didn't molest anyone. He transferred molesting priests he had been told (by supposedly competent "psychologists") had been "cured".

Number two, the priesthood is not a profession like teaching; it's a vocation, like marriage.

Number three, Bernard Cardinal Law will never be a diocesan bishop again. He doesn't really have the care of souls as archpriest of a Roman basilica; his responsibilities are mostly ceremonial.

55 posted on 04/11/2005 8:49:09 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
Number one, Cardinal Law didn't molest anyone.

No where in my post did I indicate that Law molested anyone. Also you don't KNOW for sure if Law molested anyone or not yet. However, I did not insinuate that he committed any such atrocities. He did, however, overlook the sins of others. No transfers should have occurred. Terminations should have taken place.

56 posted on 04/11/2005 8:55:35 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: quidnunc
quid, you got so upset, you forgot to excerpt...
57 posted on 04/11/2005 8:56:15 PM PDT by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: winner3000

Secular atheism is one thing, quite another to display such pure hatred of religion.


58 posted on 04/11/2005 9:00:50 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: RobbyS
With its ban on condoms the church has caused the death of millions of Catholics and others in areas dominated by Catholic missionaries, in Africa and right across the world. In countries where 50% are infected, millions of very young Aids orphans are today's immediate victims of the curia.

On the other hand, Polly Toynbee doubtless applauds the butchering of millions of babies in abortion clinics.

Where IS her sense of proportion?

59 posted on 04/11/2005 9:01:51 PM PDT by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: quidnunc

There must be something awful gnawing inside folks like Ms. Toynbee and Mr. Pollard if anything that smacks of true belief brings out such bile in them.


60 posted on 04/11/2005 9:03:41 PM PDT by SuziQ
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