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1 posted on 04/08/2005 12:42:29 PM PDT by Asphalt
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2 posted on 04/08/2005 12:42:57 PM PDT by Asphalt (Three can keep a secret if two are dead.)
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Ugh.


4 posted on 04/08/2005 12:44:11 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: Asphalt

What a toughy. But although he served and was injured with honor, allowing him to serve openly is just a door to that teflon coated slope.


5 posted on 04/08/2005 12:44:33 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany)
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To: Asphalt

Oh boy.



6 posted on 04/08/2005 12:44:39 PM PDT by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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I imagine many people will want to Rip is Purple Heart from his chest but I do not imagine many will want to send their Straight son to Iraq to take his place.
7 posted on 04/08/2005 12:48:27 PM PDT by jsbankston
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An infantryman having sex with another infantryman is not the Army's idea of unit cohesiveness.
8 posted on 04/08/2005 12:49:45 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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This kid is a warrior... As long as he does his job, and keeps the mouse in the house, I have no problems.


16 posted on 04/08/2005 12:57:44 PM PDT by dvldog03 ("For the Glory of God, and the Glory of our Corps...")
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Time to drop "Don't ask, don't tell" and resume the "We don't want you homos!" policy.


17 posted on 04/08/2005 12:58:52 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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Reporting for dooty

silly boy.
21 posted on 04/08/2005 1:00:17 PM PDT by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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Ok great, we create an all gay regiment with the caveat that they will always be the first to go in and the last to come out.


22 posted on 04/08/2005 1:01:11 PM PDT by Lee Heggy (Sorry, I don't do Windows.)
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To: Asphalt

He already is serving openly. It's the being gay openly that's the rub. Thanks BJ Klinton.


24 posted on 04/08/2005 1:02:15 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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Color me closeminded but I just don't think there's any need to add 'openness regarding sexual likes & dislikes' in the definition of 'soldiering'.


28 posted on 04/08/2005 1:04:54 PM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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"The old armchair thought that gay people destroy unit camaraderie and cohesion is just wrong," Stout said. "They said the same things when they tried to integrate African-Americans and women into the military."

Note to Stout - Blacks and women are not identified solely by a voluntary sexual act. If you want to be perverted, that's your business. If you want to tell people you are perverted, don't complain when the discriminate.


37 posted on 04/08/2005 1:13:20 PM PDT by Bryan24
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Gay US Soldier Wants To Serve Openly

Only if "homophobic" soldiers may also serve openly.

An Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq wants a chance to remain in the military as an openly gay soldier, a desire that's bringing him into conflict with the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

I didn't know "openly gay" was a specialty code in today's Army.

Live and learn.

Shalom.

56 posted on 04/08/2005 1:27:24 PM PDT by ArGee (Why do we let the abnormal tell us what's normal?)
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The man sounds like a hero, and I hope his medals and honor for serving aren't stripped from him.

With that said...

"They said the same things when they tried to integrate African-Americans and women into the military."

...there's that old flawed comparison again!

A person's skin color/ancestry doesn't present a threat to the operation. On the other hand, men and women are put in separate facilities. Why? Because there could be a conflict of interest if two people became intimate, which could happen when they're sharing the same barracks, showers, etc.

As gay people are attracted to each other, separating "gay servicemen" from "straight" doesn't solve the problem.

60 posted on 04/08/2005 1:28:54 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (News junkie here)
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I think they should all be allowed to serve openly , On The Front Lines.


64 posted on 04/08/2005 1:31:29 PM PDT by Delbert
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"The old armchair thought that gay people destroy unit camaraderie and cohesion is just wrong," Stout said. "They said the same things when they tried to integrate African-Americans and women into the military."

Discrimination against blacks was based on flawed premises, so there was no problem with integration of the military in the long run. The naysayers were proved wrong. The jury is still out how women affect unit cohesion, so this really isn't a good example.

The point is he knows the rules and it's not pick and choose. It's not like they changed the rules on him in the middle of the game.

The "We don't want you homos!" policy is a blunt way to put it, but an accurate description of what the policy was in my father's and my time in the service.

73 posted on 04/08/2005 1:36:12 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Pray for us all.)
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How many more character defects/personal problems/bad behavior are we going to overlook just because the guy's served his country?

I've known a few NCOs that were DX'd because they couldn't stop drinking, stealing, or screwing around. And I've personally signed a lot of separation paperwork on soldiers who couldn't stay off the evil weed.

Wrong is wrong, and using one thing to justify another is worse. I do believe that homosexuality is "incompatible with military service", especially when it decides that "the love that dare not speaketh" can't seem to shut the hell up.


79 posted on 04/08/2005 1:39:56 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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So the rules need to change for him?

Just because he is a pervert, ah homo.

Maybe he shouldn't have signed up if he can't mind the rules.


81 posted on 04/08/2005 1:40:47 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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"director of the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military at the University of California-Santa Barbara."


They actually have a position by this name? I hope no taxpayer money funds this position.


101 posted on 04/08/2005 1:50:06 PM PDT by KansasConservative1
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