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[Montana] Senate kills self-defense bill
The Bozeman Daily Chronicle ^ | April 7, 2005 | WALT WILLIAMS

Posted on 04/07/2005 5:56:38 AM PDT by Brian328i

HELENA -- The Senate shot down a bill that would have spelled out that people have a right to use guns to defend themselves Tuesday.

House Bill 693 by Rep. Jack Wells, R-Bozeman, died an unusual death. It was first amended by senators to strike out everything in the bill except one small section prohibiting employers from firing employees who keep guns in vehicles parked in the company parking lot.

The Senate then moved to indefinitely postpone the bill because the amendment pretty much erased its entire purpose.

Sen. Mike Wheat, D-Bozeman, who suggested the amendment, was pleased to see the bill go down.

"We don't need to go down this road where everybody starts arming themselves and killing people," he said.

The final vote came after more than 90 minutes of debate with senators relating their own scary encounters while both armed and facing people who were armed.

Some lawmakers were bothered by language in the bill saying citizens had no duty to summon law enforcement when threatened with death or bodily injury.

It spelled out how people could defend themselves with guns, but it also ordered law enforcement to seek out all evidence of self-defense when that was used as a plea.

Sen. Joe Balyeat, R-Bozeman, supported the bill, relating recent news from Bozeman about a convenience store clerk who was raped while police encircled the store.

"There are many, many times when the police are ineffective because of the circumstances to deal with the situation at hand," he said.

The bill in its original form was opposed by law enforcement groups. It had since been trimmed back significantly to address their concerns.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; gun; m; selfdefence
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1 posted on 04/07/2005 5:56:39 AM PDT by Brian328i
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To: Brian328i

Cripes, now we need the permission of the gubmit to defend ourselves?


2 posted on 04/07/2005 5:58:14 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: Brian328i

Alledgedly the NRA did not back the bill. No one, including the NRA can explain why.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 5:58:25 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: Brian328i
Alledgedly the NRA did not back the bill. No one, including the NRA has yet to explain why.
4 posted on 04/07/2005 5:59:04 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
Here's the two emails I received on it.
Montana Members! Please Contact Senate Judiciary Committee Members!



House Bill 693 will be heard tomorrow morning at 8 am in the Senate Judiciary Committee. HB 693 strengthens the right of law-abiding Montanans to protect themselves and their families. The bill also states that an employer may not prohibit an employee from keeping a firearm in a vehicle owned by the employee and parked at their place of employment. With only 1 day remaining for the committee to take action on HB 693, it is vital that NRA members contact the Senate Judiciary Committee and ask for their support. Please call the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee immediately & ask them to vote this bill out of committee.



Committee member names and contact information is as follows:


Montana House Bill 693 Heads to the Senate for a Vote!



HB 693, by Representative Jack Wells (R-69), strengthens the right of law-abiding Montanans to protect themselves and their families. The bill also states that an employer may not prohibit an employee from keeping a firearm in a vehicle owned by the employee and parked at their place of employment.


HB 693 could come up for a vote in the full Senate as early as Monday, April 4. It is vital that you contact your State Senator TODAY at (406) 444-4800 and ask for their full support of HB 693 when it comes before them for a vote.

You can find further contact information by visiting www.NRAILA.org and using the "Write Your Representatives" feature.

5 posted on 04/07/2005 6:01:58 AM PDT by Brian328i
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To: Brian328i
Sen. Mike Wheat, D-Bozeman, who suggested the amendment, was pleased to see the bill go down. "We don't need to go down this road where everybody starts arming themselves and killing people," he said.

typical RAT response...

6 posted on 04/07/2005 6:03:17 AM PDT by meandog (bellum nec timendum nec provacandum)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Ping...


7 posted on 04/07/2005 6:06:13 AM PDT by tubebender (We child proofed our house but they still get in...)
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To: wmichgrad

"The Senate shot down a bill that would have spelled out that people have a right to use guns to defend themselves Tuesday."

I didn't realize that Montana had the power to autocratically remove the RTKBA from the US Constitution.


8 posted on 04/07/2005 6:07:30 AM PDT by CSM
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To: meandog

"We don't need to go down this road where everybody starts arming themselves ......................to defend their lives and property. (I think this is what he is really thinking and saying)


9 posted on 04/07/2005 6:09:16 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (BBTD is back after 5 mos absence.)
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To: Brian328i

It doesn't matter if the Government, state or federal says we do not have the right to defend ourselves with a gun.

I'll shoot first if necessary and depend on a jury of my peers (in Montana) to do what is right.


10 posted on 04/07/2005 6:09:52 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: Bear_Slayer
Before immediately blaming the NRA, I'd be looking more towards as to why the good people of Montana have seen fit to elect democrats to run their affairs if issues such as firearms rights and self-defense are so important to them.

It has been common knowledge for decades now that if you elect dems, your human rights are soon headed for the shredder (unless it happens to be about "gay marriage" or something really important like that, of course).

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

11 posted on 04/07/2005 6:11:02 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Semper Paratus

No it was just some gratuitous grandstanding which was cancelled out by a clever RAT.

Self defense is not against the law in Montana.

Its legislature is something else.


12 posted on 04/07/2005 6:11:16 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Brian328i
This thread has just added to the FreeRepublic "bang list" (firearms interest list) by adding the keyword "banglist".

Any time a firearms-related thread is created on FreeRepublic, please be sure to add the "banglist" keyword to it so that interested FReepers don't miss it.

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13 posted on 04/07/2005 6:11:24 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.


14 posted on 04/07/2005 6:11:29 AM PDT by 11Bush (If the shootin' don't start soon, I'll have to mount the Ma-Duece on my wheelchair.)
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To: Brian328i

Red state or blue state, count on the RATs to have a problem with citizens defending themselves.


15 posted on 04/07/2005 6:11:57 AM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: Joe Brower
I didn't vote for any democrats and I refuse to.

An NBC affiliate ran a story last week stating that the NRA did not back this bill. I read the bill. It looked good to me, but I'm no lawyer (thank God.)

No one can explain why the NRA did not back the bill. NRA has not commented.
16 posted on 04/07/2005 6:15:14 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: 11Bush

Amen Brother


17 posted on 04/07/2005 6:15:40 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: BigSkyFreeper

A little tid bit that'll cheer up your day...


18 posted on 04/07/2005 6:28:15 AM PDT by Brian328i
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To: Bear_Slayer
I didn't vote for any democrats and I refuse to.

I figured as much. Nor do I. Which leaves the task remaining as convicing as many of my fellow citizens to do the same, so that bad guys don't attain office in the first place. There is no better overall method to head unamerican legislation off at the pass to start with, and this tactic in itself is a long-standing method pushed by the NRA.

19 posted on 04/07/2005 6:34:05 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Bear_Slayer; Brian328i
Alledgedly the NRA did not back the bill. No one, including the NRA has yet to explain why.

Correct.

20 posted on 04/07/2005 6:34:29 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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