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Peggy Noonan: 'We Want God'
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Thursday, April 7 | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 04/06/2005 11:05:53 PM PDT by presidio9

Everyone has spoken this past week of John Paul II's role in the defeat of Soviet communism and the liberation of Eastern Europe. We don't know everything, or even a lot, about the quiet diplomatic moves--what happened in private, what kind of communications the pope had with the other great lions of the 1980s, Reagan and Thatcher. And others, including Bill Casey, the tough old fox of the CIA, and Lech Walesa of Solidarity.

But I think I know the moment Soviet communism began its fall. It happened in public. Anyone could see it. It was one of the great spiritual moments of the 20th century, maybe the greatest.

It was the first week in June 1979. Europe was split in two between east and west, the democracies and the communist bloc--police states controlled by the Soviet Union and run by local communist parties and secret police.

John Paul was a new pope, raised to the papacy just eight months before. The day after he became pope he made it clear he would like to return as pope to his native Poland to see his people.

The communists who ran the Polish regime faced a quandary. If they didn't allow the new Pope to return to his homeland, they would look defensive and frightened, as if they feared that he had more power than they. To rebuff him would seem an admission of their weakness. On the other hand, if they let him return, the people might rise up against the government, which might in turn trigger an invasion by the Soviet Union.

The Polish government decided that it would be too great an embarrassment to refuse the pope. So they invited him, gambling that John Paul--whom they knew when he was cardinal of Krakow,

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cary; johnpaulii; johnpaulthegreat; legacy; peggynoonan; poland; pope
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1 posted on 04/06/2005 11:05:53 PM PDT by presidio9
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I used to like Peggy, now I don't care what she has to say. Poor, bitter woman.


2 posted on 04/06/2005 11:06:48 PM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

This is an absolutely beautiful piece, full of grace. You cheat yourself if you don't read it.


3 posted on 04/06/2005 11:10:02 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher

'We want God', except when bush is speaking.


4 posted on 04/06/2005 11:16:02 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
You need to pay more attention. Peggy is human. She got pissed at Bush because she quit her job to assist on his campaign. Her credentials as a speechwriter for Reagan speak for themselves. Bush gave her the Heisman and she vented in an article. Once. And then she retracted and apologized. This current article is a beautiful piece by a woman at peace with herself. You should read it. Peggy was writing laudatory editorials about John Paul the Great years ago. Before it was cool to do so. And it made her a lot of enemies. Give her some credit. Forgive and forget. Her #1 role model did so with a man who tried to kill him, and sh has done her best to follow his example.
5 posted on 04/06/2005 11:18:29 PM PDT by presidio9 (My bones are so brittle... but I ALWAYS drink plenty of... MALK???)
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Peggy has had a lot of great things to say about W over the years. She had every right to be angry with him after the election.


6 posted on 04/06/2005 11:19:37 PM PDT by presidio9 (My bones are so brittle... but I ALWAYS drink plenty of... MALK???)
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Hey there dude.

I like Peggy, but I dont think she ever retracted that.
She wrote even emphatically about it.


7 posted on 04/06/2005 11:21:54 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: presidio9

good to see you alive and kickin


8 posted on 04/06/2005 11:22:54 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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'We want God', except when bush is speaking.

Yep, she was dead wrong about that. But this is still a must-read.

9 posted on 04/06/2005 11:23:57 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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I did read it. But its such a contradiction. I want to like it. But this was bush's point in his inagural - That faith can rekindle lost countries.


10 posted on 04/06/2005 11:28:20 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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I think you need to go back and read that column again. Her point was that the President is not the Pope and the Pope is not the President. "Earth is not Heaven." As a Catholic, I had no problem loving and respecting John Paul the Great, even when he pointentdly differed with Bush's foreign policy on going to war to unseat Hussein, just as I have no problem accepting a President who backs policies that my Church opposes, such as capital punishment (which I believe in). Nevertheless, while my first allegiance is (as directer) to God before country, like Peggy, I accept the fact that while hugs might have contributed to the end of communist totalitarianism, they wouldn't habe worked on the Nazis or the taliban or the Baath party. The first effectivly outlawed organized religion. The second tacity accepted it. The last two based their autority on false ones. The currently President is definitely a good moral example for us all, but he is not a religious leader. His first role will always be as Commander-In-Chief of the United States Armed Forces, the most awesome human force in the history of this planet, and, while I appreciate Bush's religious comittments, Peggy was correct in pointing out that he needed to wave the Big stick around a bit.


11 posted on 04/06/2005 11:50:53 PM PDT by presidio9 (My bones are so brittle... but I ALWAYS drink plenty of... MALK???)
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To: fooman
Thanks. Always happy to be above ground and vertical.
12 posted on 04/06/2005 11:51:28 PM PDT by presidio9 (My bones are so brittle... but I ALWAYS drink plenty of... MALK???)
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Absolutely beautiful. That's the first time I've read the entire story of his trip home. Stunning!


13 posted on 04/06/2005 11:53:12 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Freeploader-Someone who uses FreeRepublic but never donates to it's upkeep)
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To: presidio9

You forget, if anyone disagrees with the party or the president they must be burned at the stake.


14 posted on 04/06/2005 11:57:47 PM PDT by Middle Aged White Male
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Freeploader-Someone who uses FreeRepublic but never donates to it's upkeep

Now that our Pope is in Heaven, I'll consider resuming donations to FR when I notice that people are reprimanded for attacking him and the Church on this website. Until then I can't support any website that gives vioce to ignorant biggotry.

15 posted on 04/07/2005 12:06:38 AM PDT by presidio9 (My bones are so brittle... but I ALWAYS drink plenty of... MALK???)
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To: M. Thatcher

Agreed. Peggy is back to her best.


16 posted on 04/07/2005 12:07:12 AM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team)
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Then what are you doing here? If you don't support this site financially, you are freeploading on your fellow Americans. We work hard for our money, if you're a liberal who believes in welfare you're on the wrong site.


17 posted on 04/07/2005 12:11:03 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Freeploader-Someone who uses FreeRepublic but never donates to it's upkeep)
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I used to like to think that I made up for it by enlightenting FReepers with articles that they wouldn't normally see, but I don't tend to come around as much any more. If it makes you feel better, I have been here under various screen names since 1998, and have donated plenty of money to this website, but I am first and formost a man of the Catholic church, and I refuse to give money to anyone who comforts Its enemies. If you don't agree with my position, what are you doning on this thread?


18 posted on 04/07/2005 12:17:07 AM PDT by presidio9 (My bones are so brittle... but I ALWAYS drink plenty of... MALK???)
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Oh, perhaps because I have already donated to the upkeep of the very forum you have posted the article to. Bandwidth costs money.

If you can't afford to donate, that's one thing, but if you refuse to donate, that's quite another.

If you hadn't posted this article, someone else would have, probably someone who pulled their weight.

19 posted on 04/07/2005 12:23:24 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Freeploader-Someone who uses FreeRepublic but never donates to it's upkeep)
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Tell you what: I'll start take the standard donation I used to make and send it to the Catholic church (to which I already donate to on a weekly basis. Care to join me? They subsidize the education of your children among other things. If you aren't currently sending your kinds to Catholic schools (or even if you are) your property taxes are lower because of the Catholic Church. If you are not actively reimbursing them, and you live in the United States, you are taking much more financial advantage of me. should I send you my address so you can send me the check, or are you going to shut up now?
20 posted on 04/07/2005 12:29:27 AM PDT by presidio9 (My bones are so brittle... but I ALWAYS drink plenty of... MALK???)
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