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Leftist Media: Pope Getting 'Reagan Treatment'
NewsMax ^ | 4/6/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 04/06/2005 12:41:17 PM PDT by wagglebee

The late Pope John Paul II is allegedly getting the so-called "Reagan treatment" and the liberal media do not like it any more than they liked Ronald Reagan.

"Many critics argue that the media are doing now what they did when former President Ronald Reagan died in June: reducing a deeply controversial figure to a warm, grandfatherly caricature," according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

One critic peddled the current - and dubious - media line that the pope was out step with members of the Church in the West.

"This is a church with declining priests, with declining nuns, with declining church attendance," Kathleen Hall Jamieson, dean of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, told the Inquirer. "This was a very conservative pope. Most of his Western flock was not with his program."

Like the overwhelming number of her mainstream media colleagues, Miss Jamieson failed to understand that the program she mentioned was not John Paul's but the 2,000-year-old dogma of the Roman Catholic Church that he or any other pope is powerless to change.

Another popular media fiction is that the pope was a "polarizing" figure who created needless divisions within the Roman Catholic Church - a notion that avoids recognition of the fact that the alleged polarization arose from his defending what his church defines as good against that which it declares to be evil.

Jeff Sharlet, editor of The Revealer, a Web magazine about media coverage of religion funded by New York University's department of journalism and its Center for Religion and Media, adopted that line of attack.

"The reason we're getting sick of thinking about it is because this complicated story line is being reduced to a shallower level even than Ronald Reagan," he said. "The Pope was a figure of tremendous polarization. ... Now people are being asked to turn on a dime and consider him ... a mythic figure who had a simple and straightforward meaning."

Christopher Winner of United Press International, who the Inquirer noted covered both papal deaths in 1978, says the pope has been transformed in death into another one-dimensional cult celebrity. "The coverage to me is extremely manipulative. It's Hollywood coverage - it's celebrity coverage. It's uncritical. ... I'm not suggesting that he wasn't a remarkable figure - he was. But this is completely out of proportion."

Stewart Stehlin, described by the Inquirer as an NYU history professor familiar with the Vatican, disagrees that coverage has been uncritical and notes there is a natural tendency to speak well of the dead.

"I've read an awful lot where they would be laudatory but then say, well, he hasn't accomplished this, he was too strict on that. ... I would expect in a situation like this that most comments would be laudatory."

To the leftist media elite (who view Ronald Reagan - who, with the pope, brought Communism tumbling down - as an amiable dunce), John Paul is likely seen as a cranky old conservative wedded to outmoded doctrines who stood in the way of what they regard as human progress.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coldwar; communism; johnpaulii; leftistmedia; mediabias; pope; popejohnpaulii; ronaldreagan
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"Many critics argue that the media are doing now what they did when former President Ronald Reagan died in June: reducing a deeply controversial figure to a warm, grandfatherly caricature," according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

The left will never understand that most people never considered the Pope or President Reagan to be "controversial," they actually did seem "grandfatherly" to most of us. Besides, we stood by while the media lamented the death of the mass-murdering terrorist Arafat, we had to hear about how he was the biggest peacenik of all time.

1 posted on 04/06/2005 12:41:18 PM PDT by wagglebee
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"This was a very conservative pope. Most of his Western flock was not with his program."

SHUT YOUR GODLESS PIE HOLE!

2 posted on 04/06/2005 12:43:56 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: wagglebee
It's just amazing to me how these people want the Catholic Church to bend to their views. Catholicism is Catholcism and has been pretty much the same for 2000 years.

The culture of MEEEEEEEEEEE is so pathetic.

3 posted on 04/06/2005 12:45:31 PM PDT by WarPaint
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To: wagglebee

The left went through hell during Reagan's funeral last summer. They don't want to go through it again for the Pope's.


4 posted on 04/06/2005 12:47:13 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: WarPaint
The culture of MEEEEEEEEEEE is so pathetic

Disgusting, isn't it?

5 posted on 04/06/2005 12:47:45 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: wagglebee

Agreed - that is part of why we elected and loved Reagan, and why so many loved John Paul II. They completely miss the point - witness their absolute astonishment at the turnout for Reagan's state funeral.


6 posted on 04/06/2005 12:48:01 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: wagglebee
Rule #5. Since liberals all want deviancy defined down. Anyone who stands for truth, justice, and morality must be characterized as controversial.
7 posted on 04/06/2005 12:48:25 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Rule # 4. When liberals have factual evidence that their position is wrong they ignore the evidence)
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To: mainepatsfan

Too bad - for them. It's going to be worse this time, because they can't dismiss it as "just an American misconception" - not when a significant portion of the civilized world is in mourning, and a not insignificant number are travelling to Rome to pay their respects.


8 posted on 04/06/2005 12:49:27 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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One critic peddled the current - and dubious - media line that the pope was out step with members of the Church in the West.

Does anyone besides me see this as perfectly fitting the definition of insanity?

If a church has by definition a concept of itself that defines the determination of truth, reality and its circumscribing universe, and "some" members disagree, who is out of step?

That's like buying a pre-cut house, ignoring the assemby instructions and then complaining that the results looks like a 60-year-old Arkansas single-wide ...

9 posted on 04/06/2005 12:50:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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I thought it was the "Nixon treatment"... when he died, one would have thought from the coverage that he was an uncontroversial figure.


10 posted on 04/06/2005 12:51:05 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: WarPaint

And if you don't agree with it, there are many other options - one doesn't have to listen to them.


11 posted on 04/06/2005 12:51:33 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Let them pout.


12 posted on 04/06/2005 12:51:49 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: WarPaint
It's just amazing to me how these people want the Catholic Church to bend to their views. Catholicism is Catholcism and has been pretty much the same for 2000 years. For the life of me I fail to find a single significant new expectation of Catholics that has not existed for more than a millenium.

What is it exactly that would trigger a nut-job to call this kind man a "neanderthal"?

14 posted on 04/06/2005 12:53:47 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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"This was a very conservative pope. Most of his Western flock was not with his program."
- Kathleen Hall Jamieson

Shame the pope didn’t live long enough for Kathleen Hall Jamieson to impart her lessons on how to be a better Catholic upon him.

15 posted on 04/06/2005 12:54:02 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: wagglebee

It makes my day when the lefties are mad. I laugh at them.....


16 posted on 04/06/2005 12:55:24 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: wagglebee
"This was a very conservative pope. Most of his Western flock was not with his program."

This woman cannot be Catholic or if she is she cannot be a practicing one. Because this is total falsehood. President Bush used the word "Shepherd" to describe Pope John Paul II. I cannot think of a more appropriate word to describe him. A shepherd's job is to keep track of and tend to his his flock. When a member of the flock strays, he tries to bring him back into the fold. Sometimes he is successful and sometimes he is not. Sometimes the wayward sheep falls prey to the wolves. The same can be said of Christians. We all stray every single day of our lives. But the leadership of the Holy Father, our undertanding of the teachings of the Bible and of Jesus help to bring us back. Sometimes people stray for a while but find their way back. Others do not and are lost to the wolves. The sheep that did not "stay with his program" are the ones that want to be able to pick and choose from the teachings of God and the Pope like a smorgesbord. It does not work that way. It is all or none. The ones that bail and do not come back often are the ones that will accept the easy stuff but do not want to accept the hard things as well.

From this woman's statement it is obvious that not only is she oblivious to what the Pope was about but to what Catholicism is about as well.
17 posted on 04/06/2005 12:55:57 PM PDT by stm
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To: wagglebee

The leftists just aren't comfortable with the idea of routine civility. A nice old man, who meant well, and did his best, just died. Civility decrees that we not turn the occasion into a loud and vicious debate of whatever shortcomings anybody can find in his life. Yeah, he should have cracked down harder on the priests-molesting-little-boys-and-bishops-covering-it-up stuff. We can talk about it some other time.


18 posted on 04/06/2005 12:58:02 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wagglebee

I can't believe they have the nerve to actually print something like that. Down here, we say a paper like that is only good for wrapping mullet in.


19 posted on 04/06/2005 1:01:45 PM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: Puppage

lol...


20 posted on 04/06/2005 1:01:47 PM PDT by monday
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