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Where were Schiavo's loved ones as eating disorder led to downfall? [Parents killed her]
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | April 6, 2005 | BY S. JENNIFER HUNTER

Posted on 04/06/2005 5:03:58 AM PDT by johnny7

I spent much of last Thursday trying to sort out my feelings about the death of Terri Schiavo. Had I been her mother I would have done my utmost to preserve my daughter's life, just as Mary Schindler did. I would have fought the doctors and the courts and Terri's husband, Michael. I would have railed and screamed and prayed. To watch your precious daughter die by starvation is far more painful than accepting your own mortality: this is a child you have nurtured and played with and shepherded through the turbulence of teenhood and dressed in a wedding gown.

Had I been her husband, Michael, I would have found it equally painful to watch my beautiful wife descend into a form of torpor and to remain in this state for 15 years. Michael has been vilified for starting a relationship with another woman and having children with her. But for the first years of Terri's hospitalization he did his utmost to seek special therapies for her; he bought her comfortable, stylish clothing so she would look her best; he enrolled in nursing school so he could understand the complexities of her medical care. I can't judge him for entering another relationship. He was a young man; he wanted children. Why he didn't divorce Terri, I don't know. Clearly he still felt responsible for her.

The reasons for Terri's death, however, go beyond the removal of a feeding tube and family and court battles. They go beyond medical ethics and religion. Terri suffered from an eating disorder that led to dangerously low potassium levels that led to cardiac arrest. Her brain was not fed with enough oxygen and this led to severe damage to her cerebral cortex, the seat of reason and emotion. She lapsed into a vegetative state. Her brain could make her heart beat but it couldn't make her sensible to her surroundings. Terri had been an overweight teenager, at one point weighing 250 pounds. Didn't her loving parents worry when they saw their daughter shrink to 110 pounds? Didn't her husband notice she ate very little and purged after meals? Did her family or her friends question her extreme eating habits?

It is likely Terri was complimented by how terrific she looked and this would have encouraged her to continue to deprive her body of food. It is true the bloated features in her high school class picture had been transformed; the bulimia had allowed her to become a delicate beauty. She resembled the young Elizabeth Taylor. Her weight loss was validated, at a horrible cost. Terri Schiavo's case, like that of singer Karen Carpenter who died of anorexia, is an excruciating reminder to parents to be vigilant about their children's eating habits -- even if those children are young adults and tell us to mind our own business. We need to persist in helping them. According to the National Eating Disorders Association, "anorexia and bulimia affect nearly 10 million women and 1 million men (primarily teens and young adults)." That is a huge number of our children.

If Terri's parents or her husband or her family doctor had stopped for a moment and wondered about her swanlike transformation, maybe she never would have suffered that cardiac arrest and lapsed into catatonia. But our society admires thinness -- the Rubenesque Marilyn Monroe likely would be considered too plump these days -- and so some of our children, in the quest to look attractive, may starve themselves. Even to their death. That is what Terri Schiavo's story has communicated so clearly.


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To: Smartaleck
Don't remember anyone saying the PT people had trouble.

She presented with a very stiff neck (see Humana Hospital Release for Terri Schiavo-02/25/90 to 05/09/90 and stiff body.)

Not surprising.

She was defibrillated several times at home and was severely hypotensive.

She was completely unresponsive with decerebrating and generalized tonic clonic seizure activity.

CAT scan of the brainn taht was done was negative for any acute event.

Serial EKG's revealed no evidence of myocardial infarction.

Initial EEG revealed abnormal elctroencephalogram indicative of generalized suppression ad slowing of the activity uniformly noted without any significant hemispheric electrolization cosistet with diffuse encephalopathy.Hmmm.

Thought the PROBLEM was she was seeing a gyn for irregular mensus.

Dre Hammersfahr said she was RESPONDING to THERAPY so beautifully that she was able to hold herself up between two parallel bars in therapy.....

WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO HER....MICHAEL?

241 posted on 04/07/2005 10:27:13 AM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: Smartaleck
Don't remember anyone saying the PT people had trouble.

She presented with a very stiff neck (see Humana Hospital Release for Terri Schiavo-02/25/90 to 05/09/90 and stiff body.)

Not surprising.

She was defibrillated several times at home and was severely hypotensive.

She was completely unresponsive with decerebrating and generalized tonic clonic seizure activity.

CAT scan of the brainn taht was done was negative for any acute event.

Serial EKG's revealed no evidence of myocardial infarction.

Initial EEG revealed abnormal elctroencephalogram indicative of generalized suppression ad slowing of the activity uniformly noted without any significant hemispheric electrolization cosistet with diffuse encephalopathy.

Her ONLY significant recent hisotry was that she was being treated by a GYN for a vaginal infection with a local cream which the consulting gyn at HUMANA, Dr. Meena Jain, recommended changing from cream to a Eetadine douche and to start Terri on the medicine, FLAGYL, intraveniously, for the infection ( commonly used for a very common STD!)

Hmmm.

Thought the PROBLEM was she was seeing a gyn for irregular mensus.

Dre Hammersfahr said she was RESPONDING to THERAPY so beautifully that she was able to hold herself up between two parallel bars in therapy.....

WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO HER....MICHAEL?

242 posted on 04/07/2005 10:28:52 AM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: beyond the sea
I have read 6'7" and 6'5" so who knows, 3/4's of what is on FR is rumors and spite, which just makes matters worse than reality. I try to see the truth of both sides. Am sick about what was done to her, I think refusing food and water to her was horrible. As many have said, should not be done to animals, much less humans. Everyone involved will answer to God, I hope they can repent, everyone who contributed to the situation.
243 posted on 04/07/2005 10:35:09 AM PDT by lolhelp
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To: T'wit

"What those people may be trying to get around is that the leading cause of injury and death among young women is -- their husbands (or boy friends). It is domestic violence. "

The leading cause of death for young women is "unintentional injuries"...you know accidents.....think drinking and driving in that number. ;-)

Followed closely by cancer and heart disease.

For women 20-30 yrs old, homicide of all types figures in only two instances out of 20 possible causes.

You gotta quit believing that NOW propaganda! LOL

http://www.cdc.gov/od/spotlight/nwhw/lcod/01all.pdf

"There is solid medical reason to suspect that Michael strangled her."

What would those "solid" reasons be?


244 posted on 04/07/2005 10:37:19 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Republic

Don't remember anyone saying the PT people had trouble.

8/22/1990 Progress Notes Dr. Baras
More flexibility in left lower leg and hip flexion but left knee is stiff. Need to repeat ___. Check on H.O. May need to consider right knee manipulation (ortho)

8/23/1990 X-Ray Report Dr. Pruit
Images taken left knee - Reason for exam - H.O. ****No fractures or dislocations, moderate amt of heterotrophic bone formation along medial aspect of the distal femur. Small amount along lateral aspect of distal femural shaft.




2/4/1991 Progress Notes Dr. Carnahan
Both knees increased warmth, start Keflex, question H.O. of knees, repeat alkalyn phosphotase. ? Bone Scan

2/5/1991 Progress Notes Dr. Carnahan Both knees very warm, probable arthritis / H.O.

2/5/1991 X-Ray Report Dr. Ricciardello
2 views each, right knee, left knee. ****No fracture or subluxation. There is severe osteopenia and degenerative change.

2/18/1991 Progress Notes Dr. Carnahan
Knees both tender to touch, right lower thigh indurated, probably H.O.

3/8/1991 Progress Notes Dr. Carnahan
Bone Scan reveals subperiosteal area of right thigh - most likely reflects H.O. Other areas not explained by disease ? Infection. Neoplastic is rare probability.

3/12/1991 Progress Notes Dr. Carnahan
Question if arthritis or bone involvement was related to Dilantin (?)

5/6/1991 MS Journal Sits real good (sic) in her chair, moves her head back and forth while laying in bed. Right Knee swollen,
Dr. thinks its fluid, taking X-rays
(sits in a chair yet Walkers saw a broken back in bone scan?????)

5/7/1991 Physical Therapy Monthly Summary
Terri remains essentially unchanged from last month. An increase in bone growth has been noted in right thigh, secondary to H.O., making PROM increasingly difficult. Plan to continue P.T. as per orders 1 X per month

6/5/1991 Physical Therapy Monthly Reevaluation
Since Terri was last seen, she has had a significant loss in range of motion at both hips and knees, esp on left

Can you see why the discharge might read as it did?



245 posted on 04/07/2005 11:02:48 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck
Not really...I was speaking to what she was presented with at Humana...in the FIRST THREE MONTHS ( and a few day ) immediately following her accident!

Your reports are all from the NEXT year when she was in a nursing home that offered SOME therapy!

Note the last entry...she showed SIGNIFICANT REGRESSION in a ONE MONTH PERIOD!

Calling Michael....hey big fella....you weren't twisting and torturing your beloved wife were ya? Behind those closed doors....preparing for a great big malpractice suit? Hmmmmmmmm

246 posted on 04/07/2005 11:12:13 AM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: Republic
"Not really...I was speaking to what she was presented with at Humana...in the FIRST THREE MONTHS ( and a few day ) immediately following her accident!"

I guess I was remiss in not including every detail....however in the interest of illumination where the connections aren't always obvious...

2/25/1990
Neuro Consult Dr. DeSousa
Deeply comatose. No evidence of acute process in CT scan. Evidence of myoclonic seizures. Rule out acute myocardiac infarction, seizures as cause. Neck is ***somewhat stiff as is all of the muscles of the body.*** No jugular venous distension. WBC 26,300, drug screen negative (That date close enough?)

5/6/1990
X-Ray Report Dr. Nancy Abramson
Images taken of right knee - intact with no bony abnormality (Wonder why they did that?)

5/9/1990
Humana Discharge Summary
Dr. Baras for rehab on 4/4/90; Orthopedic consult Dr. Hamilton on 5/6/90; blood transfusions given; P.T. and O.T. initiated. Dr. Baras recc intensive rehab, Mediplex. Had shown some improvement, tho not following commands, some improvement noted in physical and mental status. Insurance co. denied coverage after eval by 2 other facilities. Transferred to progressive care for more intensive P.T. and supportive care continued. Developed right knee fusion. Ortho consult obtained. Treated conservatively w/ meds and local care. After consult w/ Dr. Newhart, approved skilled nursing care facility with P.T., tho intensive rehab care was not approved. Improved slowly and gradually. (Could it be her brain stem was causing such that PT was required?)

5/20/1990
Bob Schindler's Notes quoting Dr. Newhart
"The brain cells that control body function were not as seriously affected as initially diagnosed. Consequently, it is anticipated that Terri should regain full use of her body, however, Terri's comatose condition is evidence that Terri's intelligence cells are damaged. The extent of the damage is unknown." (My read....lower part of the brain is functioning...upper ...zip. Keep in mind she was being treated with anti-seizure drugs which ...can cause spasmodic muscle contractions.)

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247 posted on 04/07/2005 5:51:09 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: sweet_diane

I'm glad to hear that your sister beat her eating disorder. She hasn't had an easy time of it.

Terri COULD have had an eating disorder, and MS could have lied about it in court to win the malpractice. Who knows, but it would be in the court papers.


248 posted on 04/07/2005 6:44:57 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: Smartaleck
But don't forget that terri presented at Humana on 02/26/90 as follows:

"This is a 26 year old white female not kown to me prior to admission who was brought to the emergency and admitted to the intensive Care Unit after stabiliazation in the emergency room.

She was apparently in GOOD HEALTH and was foud by her husband on the moring of admissio on the floor with difficulty breathing and gasphing for air. {hmmmmm.}" She was unresponsive. The paramedics were cdalled and it took several minutes for resusitation She needed to be debibrillated several times at home ad was also severly hypotensive.

SHE RESPONDED IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM TO SOME EXTENT WITH Dopamine.

Examination showed decerebration and total seizure activity.

(NOTE}Her ONLY significant history was she was being treated by her gynecologist for a vaginal infection with aloxal cream. Her allergies were treated in the past with Benadryl....

There is nothistory suggestive of drug abuse, alcohol abuse, et cetera."

"NO OTHER SIGNIFICANT HISTORY WAS NOTED....."

"After potassium supplement, her potassium did increase butg stayed on a lower level , becoming normal the NEXT DAY....."

"Various cultures, including bloodand sputum were negative INITIALLY but later were positive for Staphylococcus aureus, treated with amoxicillin.....later, on 3/22/90 her sputum was p ositive for eterobarter aurogenes "{what's that?...how did she get this?)

But what disturbs me were the following quotes from her hUMANA HOSPITAL RELEASE FORM.

What disturbs me most is the fact that she may have presented an STD, as the gyn consult ( Dr.Meen Jain, called after her admittance to the Intensive Care Unit at Humana recommended the drug Flagyl (500 mg drip, intraveniously) be administered along with a Eetadine douche......Flagyl is often used to knock out one of the most common STD's going.

If Terri presented with an STD...this could most definitely have been a factor in their marriage..ie, who gave it to whom, if michael was treated for it, that would MATTER. Since terri was being treated for a vaginal problem by her own gyn before she met up with her collapse (or monster)... picture how any of us would feel if we had picked up an STD from our mate.

Secondly...it bothers me that Terri presented with an INFECTIOUS DISEASE., Dr Suksaong was consulted and ANTIBIOTICE were adjusted per her recommendation....what infectious disease did Terri have upon admittance?

EEG's and CAT scans were repeated several times to see any development of any new ?NS pathology. SHE ALSO REQUIRED BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS!

"Dr Hakki put a tracheostomy because she needed a ventilator for a long period of time."

She continued to show enterobacteria {WHY?}

"There was a problem with the NG tube (feeding tube) on 3/30/90, but it was changed and feeding resumed..."

Note....Dr Barras from the Bayfront Rehab Center was consulted ad after his evaluationn he RECOMMEDED INTENSIVE REHABILITATION ad to PUT the pATIENT i a LONG TERM REHAB CENTER such as Mediples or Hardy Memorial, which Dr. Shah (who wrote this release) and Dr. DeSousa agreed with. We felt that as the patient has SHOWN SOME IMPROVEMENT during her hospitalization....in her PHYSICAL ad METNAL STATUS some improvement was NOTED!!!!

Her insurance compay DID NOT APPROVE REHABILITATION after she was evaluated by TWO OTHER FACTILITIES.

So she went to the Progressive Care Unit. ( of the hospital)..There terri gained weight and received more intensive physical therapy and other supportive care.

Later she was moved to a skilled nursing home that had some therapy, but NOT INTENSIVE THERAPY.

Questions to you...After terri was stabilized in the emergency room she went to Humana's intensive care unit.

Various consultants were obtained whidch included:

neurologypulmonary

infectious disease and GYN consultation>

QUESTION-Terri had an infectious disease...what?

Terri saw a gyn who upped the ante on her vaginal creme to an eectadine douche and Flagyl (in an IV drip)...common STD medicine (along with other gastrointestinal uses....but this was a GYN doctor recommending it so common sense says it was for a vaginal problem)

Why was terri's sugar level elevated to the point that they had to administer MEDICATION for it? (Makes me think of the nurse in the nursing home who suspected michael of shooting terri up with insulin...because she found terri in distress, shaken, seizuring and found needle marks under her breasts and between her thighs and an INSULIN VIAL covered up in the trash can in terri's room AFTER michael had just left the room!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

From the Humana release form: "Various possibilities were consnidered for the patient's event. [ In other words, for her collapse that night. ] She was STARTED on IV antibiotic Rocephin. [WHY?] AS HER BLOOD SUGAR WAS UP INITIALLY, accu-checks were obtained and COVERED with HUMULIN as needed. "[ What would cause her BLOOD SUGAR TO RISE???? ( besides michael messing with her? )

A Dr Suksanong was obtained , as an infectious disease consult,and antibiotices were adjusted per her recommendations.... {Again...WHAT infectious disease did terri have before being admitted to the hospital? )

I have a lot to learn.

249 posted on 04/07/2005 8:55:20 PM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: Republic
"severly hypotensive"....low blood pressure...heart not functioning properly?
"her sputum was p ositive for eterobarter aurogenes "
Actually, Enterobacter aerogenes...since it was in her sputum, "lower respiratory tract infections"..."
"Among the predisposing factors for such infections are prolonged hospitalization, in particular in an intensive care unit (ICU); prior treatment with antibiotics; general debilitation; and immunosuppression." In other words, probably an infection she picked up in the hospital.

Flagyl is used to treat several infections. The origin may or may not have been an STD it may have been introduced by MS or someone else. ... her state was probably such that she became even more vulnerable to disease so they took a course that was meant to eliminate any further complications...Notice too, here initial cultures were negative but later positive...she picked up bugs in the hospital...too much to speculate.

"SHE ALSO REQUIRED BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS!" ...don't see that?

"PHYSICAL ad METNAL STATUS some improvement was NOTED!!!!"
Anything more than a coma is an improvement. ;-)

Glucose/sugar levels could have been upped by an IV started by the paramedics who were trying to get her blood pressure up. If MS had shot her up with insulin, her blood sugar would be low NOT high. You've got it backwards.

"If blood-sugar levels rise, the brain tells our pancreas to release insulin. Result? The insulin disperses the glucose and our blood sugar levels fall. Without insulin to regulate a rise in blood-glucose, the amount of sugar in our bloodstream can become toxic, triggering the condition known as hyperglycemia."

There are some reports that glucose levels elevate after a cardiac arrest....not conclusive though.

Makes for high drama and face time on TV though. LOL

You ask good questions though and it would be nice to have the benefit of a Dr. who could interpret this...get the big picture. I think it important to keep in mind the last line that says this is a summary and doesn't include the more detailed info.

I do have the benefit of someone that deals with "blood make up" and the different effects the changes can have on the body. While bulimia isn't absolute as a cause, it is a plausible explanation for the indicators presented.
250 posted on 04/08/2005 6:03:07 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck
>> The leading cause of death for young women is "unintentional injuries"...you know accidents.....think drinking and driving in that number. ;-) Followed closely by cancer and heart disease.

Yeah, I saw that little morbidity table too, but that only talks about deaths, not injuries. I said DV is the leading cause of death and injuries among young women. That's a different, more complicated question and you have to dig deeper. I don't remember my source, but the statement holds up very well.

“Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women,” states The American Institute on Domestic Violence. “Between 3 and 4 million women are battered each year... Women ages 20-34 endure the highest rates of domestic violence.”

A Department of Justice-sponsored study put the figure higher: "...approximately 4.9 million intimate partner rapes and physical assaults are perpetrated against U.S. women annually."

A Department of Justice study reports, “The highest rates of intimate violence affected women ages 16 to 24. Women age 16 to 19 and women age 20 to 24 had nearly identical rates of intimate victimization -- about 1 violent victimization for every 50 women.** 3 in 4 intimate violence victims are between ages 20 and 39.

** This is higher than the motor vehicle injury rate given for young women of similar age, which is about 1 in 57.

The Department of Justice (which has a whole department just for domestic violence) and the American Bar Association (which has a commission on domestic violence) both state similar estimates for violence against women.

(A range is usually given because surveys find, depending on types of violence, that one-half, two-thirds, or even four-fifths of domestic attacks on women are not reported to police. Lowest estimates, based on attacks actually reported, are about one million per year.)

All sources confirm that domestic (or so-called "intimate") violence is greatest against young women, and that men are eight to ten times more violent than women in a domestic relationship.

Female DV homicides, where their relationship with their assailant is known, are put at 3,000 per year, with 3/4 of them (2,250) among younger women (20-39), along with some unknown number of additional intimate homicides in unsolved murders. For females ages 20-29, motor vehicle accidents kill about 2,000 and injure about 350,000 each year. Cancer and heart disease, the big killers in later life, are still very low among young women (20-29), with about 2,500 deaths per year for BOTH diseases combined.

* * *

Having said all this, let's get back to the sense of things. The argument is not whether domestic violence is #1 or #2. That doesn't make one bit of difference.

We are looking for the most likely cause of Terri Schiavo's so-called "collapse." For that, we compare the rate of domestic violence -- which is by all accounts high -- and the rate of near-fatal "collapse" due to "chemical imbalance," which is extremely rare among healthy young women (if it occurs at all).

Domestic violence is thus thousands of times more likely to have caused Terri's injuries than the "low potassium" scenario -- the only alibi for the only suspect, Michael Schiavo.

For all you folks who think that asking questions constitutes a dazzling argument, you ask, "Why didn't the emergency medics and ER staff find Terri's injuries?" The ABA Commission on domestic violence has the answer for you. It took note of shockingly bad DV investigation by emergency rooms:

-- the rate of domestic violence detection by emergency room doctors is low. Abbott et al., Domestic Violence Against Women: Incidence and Prevalence in an Emergency Department Population, Journal of the American Medical Association, vol.273, no. 22, 1763, 1766 (June 1995).

-- although battered women comprise 20 - 30% of ambulatory care patients, only 1 in 20 is correctly identified as such by medical practitioners. Hyman et al., Laws Mandating Reporting of Domestic Violence: Do They Promote Patient Well-Being?, Journal of the American Medical Association, vol. 273, no. 22, 1781 (June 1995).

-- one study found that less than 3% of women visiting emergency rooms disclosed or were asked about domestic violence by a nurse or physician.

Moreover, there a well identified profile for the most likely perpetrators of intimate violence, and Michael fits its it a T.

A DOJ study concluded, "Violence perpetrated against women by intimates is often accompanied by emotionally abusive and controlling behavior. The survey found that women whose partners were jealous, controlling, or verbally abusive were significantly more likely to report being raped, physically assaulted, and/or stalked by their partners, even when other sociodemographic and relationship characteristics were controlled. Indeed, having a verbally abusive partner was the variable most likely to predict that a woman would be victimized by an intimate partner. These findings support the theory that violence perpetrated against women by intimates is often part of a systematic pattern of dominance and control.

Michael's former girl friend, Cindy Shook, in a sworn deposition, described him as mean, verbally abusive and a persistent stalker. She had to consider getting a restraining order; and to this day is frightened of him.

Friends reported that Michael was so controllng that he kept track of the odometer mileage to control Terri's use of the car. We've all discussed the sworn testimony that he flew into a rage at her the very day before her "collapse," for spending $80 to get her hair done. It rings true.

Friends, family and caregivers noted literally scores of instances of Michael's controlling -- and downright spiteful -- behavior toward Terri during her hospitalization. Just the fact that he wouldn't let her go shows that he's a control freak. He denied her treatment, he denied her needed therapies, he limited visitation, he kept her locked away in a small cheerless room for years -- wouldn't even let her sit out in the sun; he ordered that cards, flowers and religious medallions sent to her be thrown in a wastebasked by the hospice staff; he denied her holy communion, he denied her ice chips to ease her agony, and in the end, he killed her... cruelly. And then he burned her body, against her religious views.

We don't need to phone Columbo for this one.

251 posted on 04/08/2005 9:34:14 AM PDT by T'wit (Anyone who gets in touch with his inner child will be spanked and sent to his room without dinner.)
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To: Smartaleck
Thanks.

Just a couple of comments and questions:

You wondered about the blood transfusions. On page six of the nine page Humana Hospital Release it mentions this in the top paragraph, direct quote ( full paragraph ):

" EEG's and CAT scans were repeated several times to see development of any new [this next word, the only one that seems to have been either tampered with -looks like white out, to me-I cannot decipher it but will type what it looks like with a question marke where it appears one capitalized letter is missing]?NS [ CNS-? ] pathology. She also required blood transfusions. "

Also----I can understand the picking up of bronchial or lung infections in a hospital setting, especially as a ventilator was used on her for awhile. I guess I was reading it incorrectly, upon review...she did not present this immediate.

But she did present the vaginal problem..and was being treated for it by her own gyn before her so called collapse. Since a gyn consult was called in once she was stabilized, and placed in intensive care (out of the emergency room), I suspect the Flagyl was used to eliminate the vaginal problem...along with the eetadine douce...and I still wonder if she had an STD.

Because michael is a known hothead...and if terri did receive it from him (versus her contacting it from someone), and she approached the monster about it...this could have been a very heated problem, coupled with her 80 dollar hair due which is, according to her co worker, why she was going to pretend to be asleep that night she collapsed...asleep before ms got home.

Also---in the [ direct quotes to follow from Laboratory Data, page three of Humana Hospital release form ]" Initial laboratory data revealed.....EKG showed sinus tachycardia and on-specific ST-T changes. CAT scan of the brain that was done was NEGATIVE for any acute event. "

Meaning...her CAT SCAN showed no trauma ?

I do not understand this!

252 posted on 04/08/2005 10:06:05 AM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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To: Republic
>> Meaning...her CAT SCAN showed no trauma ?

Two of them were negative, on 2/25 and 2/27. Code Blue Blog discussed this at length, with Doc CBB concluding that the head trauma, whatever it was, necessarily occurred after she got to the hospital. Another CT, ?March 30?, turned sharply abnormal. Clearly we have another mystery! (My comments from memory so don't hold me to the exact dates. Read the doc's own account.)

This by no means rules out other trauma at the time of Terri's "incident" 2/25.

253 posted on 04/08/2005 12:40:52 PM PDT by T'wit (Anyone who gets in touch with his inner child will be spanked and sent to his room without dinner.)
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To: verity

You need to take your own advice. Here's one for you:

http://www.missionsun.net/tcajune2004.htm


254 posted on 04/08/2005 12:45:26 PM PDT by tertiary01 (So just how many highly paid "professionals" does it take to kill a disabled dependent woman?)
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To: T'wit
Good info. thanks. No doubt it is a problem and seems to be getting worse. Was Terri a victim? It's not likely we'll ever know even if she had lived. (Some of the weirdest stories I've ever heard were from friends who are cops or counselors.) That said there are just too many other circumstances that point elsewhere as to the cause of her admittance to the hosp. IMO Have the parents ever raised the issue of abuse outside of the medical treatment?
255 posted on 04/08/2005 2:17:26 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Republic
Re" Blood transfusions. The feeding tube is inserted "through the body cavity" and she had problems with it. No doubt during the insertion she required additional blood is my take on it. Note the second line after the top of the page referring to the "problems".

Without getting to graphic, I wouldn't put too much stock in the "private parts" problems. It's a warm moist area a conducive to breeding all kinds of critters. It could have been a yeast infection complicated by other critters. Regardless, it sounds like the hospital took "extended measures" to eliminate further complications to her already weakened system. Just a guess.

Yes, by lack of acute "event" I think they're referring to evidence she was not whacked on the head.

"A head injury is any trauma that leads to injury of the scalp, skull, or brain. These injuries can range from a minor bump on the skull to a devastating brain injury.

Head injury can be classified as either closed or penetrating. In a closed head injury, the head sustains a blunt force by striking against an object. A concussion is a type of closed head injury that involves the brain.

In a penetrating head injury, an object breaks through the skull and enters the brain. (This object is usually moving at a high speed like a windshield or another part of a motor vehicle.)
http://health.allrefer.com/health/head-injury-info.html

I find the exercise of dissecting what was said fascinating as I suppose you do too? I'm just waiting for some Dr. to come along and tell us we're both clueless. LOL
256 posted on 04/08/2005 2:42:15 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: T'wit; Republic

"turned sharply abnormal. Clearly we have another mystery!"

Another commentor, a doc if I recall correctly, stated that her scans made sense. When a brain is starved for oxygen it doesn't show up immediately...the cells aren't just poof gone, but over a period of time as the cells begin to die off they begin to show.

There needs to be sufficient numbers to show on the scan.
Made sense to me. :-)


257 posted on 04/08/2005 2:46:45 PM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Smartaleck
>> Was Terri a victim?

Anything else is a sucker bet.

>> It's not likely we'll ever know even if she had lived.

You never know what will come to light though some other channel. I have a hunch that Michael is not the only one who knows whether he is guilty of DV.

258 posted on 04/08/2005 3:56:35 PM PDT by T'wit (Anyone who gets in touch with his inner child will be spanked and sent to his room without dinner.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

I'm five-ten and 36, with long but slim bones. According to most actuarial charts, I should weigh 150. At 150, I look chunky. My ideal weight is closer to 130.


259 posted on 04/08/2005 3:58:19 PM PDT by Xenalyte (It's a Zen thing, you know, like how many babies fit in a tire.)
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To: Smartaleck
There were affidavits given from FIVE nurses, I believe, FIVE, who spoke to michael's mistreatment and cruelty to Terri (all of them with Terri, after he got his money and was dumping her in a varity of nursing homes!)

Restraining orders were taken out by a group of THREE NURSES in one of the nursing homes, because michael was out of control, verbally abusive to them and threatening.)

One nurse, quoted above in one of the posts on this thread, stated in her affidavit that she suspected mike of a great deal of neglect.

And yes, abuse - if you consider her condition before and just after he left the room...his standard MO was to close the door and LOCK IT for a period of 20 minutes...

Note, smartaleck, the notes taken by the neurologist who took the video tape the world is so familiar with...he COMMENTED twice about michael and his disruptions during the exam IN HIS REPORT

Michael demanded to be present during this exam, and made SURE Terri knew he was there!

The neurologist noted in his report that when Michael would speak out...terri would un-focus, go off as it were, my words- > freeze from the inside out! Michael the monster was in the room observing the entire time....in the report you can read about michael starting a very loud FOOT TAPPING VERY LOUDLY and continued it for about FIVE MINUTES!

How he must have HATED Terri.

(hmmmm... I wonder, this special little foot tapping 'thingie' he did when he was with terri to announce his horrific presence and plans to hurt her, emotionally or even physically)

(ie. the found empty insulin vial and needle tracks under her breasts and between her thighs that one nurse put in her affidavit,

oh yeah...the nurse that FOUND THAT after he left, after rushing to bring terri down from her sweating, upset, flushing, thrashing and CRYING with a tab upon her mouth -forget name-used for insulin shock-this nurse had seen such reactions before to insulin shock, at that moment in time, she behaved as an angel. And...again, in response to why such suspected ABUSE was 'never REPORTED '....IT WAS, smartaleck!

She reported her findings and actions regarding schiavo to her supervisor, called the POLICE on her own, GAVE A POLICE REPORT that evening..and guess what?

WAS FIRED THE NEXT DAY!

And don't forget the nurse, who he lost his temper with, who had, OH HORROR OF HORRORS, put a rolled up washcloth within her palms, to lesson the crippling atrohpy of her fingers, oh yeah, mikey saw that and FLIPPED OUT...CALLING IT 'THERAPY" and threatened to have her FIRED! ( This is in her affidavit ( yes...this is also in an affidavit!)

And smartaleck...did you know that one of the nurses who spoke to the schindler's fo her concerns about the cruelty michael was doing consistently

Oh yes.

There are affidavits available to read concerning the suspected and heartbreaking abusive neglect and punishment that monster laid upon terri-something apparently EASY to do when you can COMMAND who sees her and WHO DOES NOT!

Pat Anderson, the Schindler's attorney for along time before Mr. Gibbs, PLEADED with the judge to hold a hearing about michael's sociopathic treatment of the 'bitch' as he, michael apparently called Terri to a nurse who spoke to this in her affidavit, but judge greer would not have any of it.........HE DENIED EVERY EFFORT TO INVESTIGATE MICHAEL.

Once, the DCF, under Mr. LaBelle, began and investigation, which was STOPPED by michael himself who REFUSED to allow the investigators ANY ACCESS TO TERRI (did you know that he did NOT ALLOW ANY MEN IN THE ROOM OTHER THAN THE SCHINDLERS, their priest and his doctor? Have you ever, in your wildest consideration of injustice, EVER heard of a suspected 'PERP' being able to control and stop an investigation ---and come to the REALIZATION that the JUDGE would do nothing about it!

WORSE...smartaleck....the SHERIFF of pinellas County was a contributor to judge greer's campaign, he was ALSO a personal friend of judge greer, and HE HIRED MICHAEL to WORK as a NURSE in his JAIL (that is where he works) WHERE...get this.....michael's future now dead mother in law worked (she died last year at michael and jodi's house) for Sheriff Rice for SIXTEEN YEARS!

Sheriff Rice is now a florida legislator....

Too funny to think of the phone calls I made a couple of years ago to this office requesting that he look into the complaints of abuse regarding michael....NO WONDER THAT EXPERIENCE LEFT ME SO COLD...AND NO WONDER THE SCHINDLER'S NEVER GOT REMEDY FROM THE POLICE.

Worse, smartaleck, and this is documented as well................Michael Schiavo was scheduled, via the courts, to atten NO ONE but THREE SEPARATE DEPOSITIONS where he was to answer questions about his guardianship practices.

Did you know that he DID NOT ONCE ATTEND ONE OF THESE DEPOSITIONS and that greer DID NOTHING TO ENFORCE THIS?

Oh yeah, fellow FReeper, the attempts, the DESPARATE ATTEMPTS the SCHINDLERS MADE TO BRING FORTH THE POSSIBILITY THAT MICHAEL SCHIAVO WAS AN ABUSER ABSOLUTELY BREAKS ONE'S HEART!. They never once received a review or justice...and often were punished by michael with a "no visits with terri" order when he was angry with them...once, during a 53 week punishment period, terri had FIVE TEETH PULLED. Yep. Five. Maybe they needed to come out, but understand, MICHAEL DID NOT ALLOW FOR HER TEETH TO BE BRUSHED AND HE DID NOT ALLOW ANY DENTAL CHECK-UPS.

He crushed the Schindlers with all of his might, using their helpless dtr as his wedge, because they INTERRUPTED his plans to get rid of Terri fast.

A normal loving husband does not put a DO NOT RESUSITATE ORDER on his wife's nursing home chart within DAYS of getting a windfall of money from a malpractice suit...money that was to be used to rehab Terri.

He was EVEN taken to court, when he REFUSED to allow for terri to be administered anti-biotics for an infection!

Not once, BUT TWICE.

If any of us has supported our son in law for three years and he strove to get money much needed to help our dtr., promising lifetime health care for her, etc, if any of us had taken our son in law into our home during this three year period after our dtr's collapse, believing he loved her, believing what he said to his attorney and in court, AND THEN DISCOVERED AFTER HE GOT THE MONEY THAT HE WANTED HER DEAD, GONE, OUT OF THE PICTURE, ......

My guess....we would have gone CRAZY!

God BLESS the Schindlers!!! (And I know he has....their blessed Pope had their daughter upon his lips just days before he passed!)

God is awesome.

And smartaleck..excuse my passion, I am a caps jerk....guess I have my own out of control issues, this saga of injustice simply outrages me! ( As if you were unable to surmise this...lol!)

260 posted on 04/08/2005 4:10:43 PM PDT by Republic (Our Father in Heaven touched the Pope, who KNEW of Terri, Terri got her mass, VATICAN STYLE!)
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