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R.C. Sproul: Schiavo's Death Marks America's Move Toward 'Neo-Barbarism'
Agape ^ | Ap 5 05 | Allie Martin, Bill Fancher, and Jenni Parker

Posted on 04/05/2005 12:54:09 PM PDT by churchillbuff

A leading pastor and theologian says last week's state-sanctioned death of Terri Schiavo marks a turning point for America, and it is crucial for the Church in this country to wake up and mobilize against euthanasia and other signs of the times.

Author and Bible teacher Dr. R.C. Sproul is the founder and chairman of Ligonier Ministries. His teaching can be heard daily on the Renewing Your Mind radio broadcast on more than 300 radio outlets in the U.S. and throughout 60 countries. Recently his attention was focused, like that of much of the nation, on the tragic and disturbing events of the Terri Schiavo case.

After all that happened to the disabled Florida woman, particularly in the final weeks of her life, Sproul feels the Church in America needs to wake up and recognize the serious threat to life and liberty that is operating in the very midst of the nation's system of government.

"I think it's time to go back and read the Declaration of Independence again," the theologian says. "We have some serious problems with the fundamental structure of government in the United States, and there need to be some serious changes. And my prayer is that this is what happens."

What needs to take place, Sproul contends, is what often happens in the history of society faced with one or more pivotal occurrences like the killing of Terri Schiavo. "Cultures change, governments change, usually when a single event provokes a crisis," he says. "It brings matters to a head. But we have an ethical crisis in this country, one that's not going to go away, with respect to the sanctity of human life."

The Christian author and minister believes the manner of Terri Schiavo's death reflects changes that have taken place in American culture since the 1960s. He notes, "Many years ago, Harold Lindsell described American culture after the revolution of the 60s as a 'neo-pagan culture.' I think now what Terri Schiavo's death marks is the transition to a neo-barbarian culture."

Barbarians, according to various encyclopedia sources, are defined by sociologists as those social parasites who prey upon civilization, sometimes enslaving others or looting and plundering, in order to survive at others' expense. And according to Sproul, America's "civilization" is beginning to look more and more like that.

"I think that's where we are," the minister says. "We've become barbarians, because what we've just witnessed is the willful starving and dehydration of a living human being." And lamentably, he adds, even many Christians believed it was right for the state to sanction the brain-damaged Florida woman's death.

Sproul says the Church needs to rise to the occasion of this crisis and fulfill its role as the conscience of the nation, before it is too late. He is urging Christian citizens to take a stand against euthanasia -- against the barbaric "culture of death" that threatens to overwhelm the mainstream America's ethical sensibilities.

Taking Terri's Struggle Forward Take a stand -- that is exactly what many of those pro-life supporters who were involved in the fight to keep Terri Schiavo alive are trying to do now as they enter what they call "Phase Two" of their effort. At a Washington, DC, press conference last weekend at Capitol Hill, Pat Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition said those who fought to prevent the court-ordered starvation death of the disabled woman have moved on from the first part of their campaign -- designated "Terri's Voice" -- and are mobilizing in a new direction.

"The next part of the campaign is 'Never Again," Mahoney says, describing the effort to raise awareness about euthanasia, disability concerns, and other sanctity-of-life challenges, and to ensure that all disabled people are treated with dignity and respect.

"We're going to address these issues," the pro-life spokesman says, "and begin to take those first steps from the struggling and painful death of Terri into moving this forward in a positive way."

And one of the ways the Coalition plans to do this, he adds, is by addressing misinformation about the amount of public support for the court-ordered starvation of the 41-year-old hospice patient.

A number of mainstream media outlets have cited polls claiming most people favored the removal of Schiavo's feeding and hydration tube and also that a majority, by a wide margin, opposed a law mandating federal review of her case. But later this week, Mahoney says the Coalition will be unveiling what the group contends is a more accurate poll of the nation's views on the Schiavo case.

Now that Terri is gone, the Coalition members are concentrating their attention on the fight to honor Terri's memory by safeguarding against any similar tragedies in the future. "We must now work to ensure that this never happens again," Mahoney says, "that Terri's legacy will be remembered, and to ensure that all those with disabilities -- all the weakest in our society -- are protected."

Meanwhile, Terri's family and the volunteers of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation have vowed to focus the efforts of the Foundation that bears her name on assistance to other desperate families seeking to protect similarly vulnerable loved ones.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Florida; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blackthursday331; euthanasia; georgefelos; judicialhomicide; schiavo; sproul
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1 posted on 04/05/2005 12:54:10 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago.


2 posted on 04/05/2005 12:57:43 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666; churchillbuff

The Barbarians are inside the gates!


3 posted on 04/05/2005 12:59:44 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Remember, this is only a temporary exile!)
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To: churchillbuff

***And lamentably, he adds, even many Christians believed it was right for the state to sanction the brain-damaged Florida woman's death.***

They believed it because that was the only logical conclusion they came to based on the limited and distorted infomation the Media was giving them.

The Media is the issue.

Listening to the MSM I got a very different picture than the one I received for knowlegable post here on FR.

We must work to break the Media's stonghold on this society.


4 posted on 04/05/2005 1:01:44 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: balrog666
she was dead 15 years ago.

Terri Schiavo? No, she died on the 31st March 2005. Of starvation.

5 posted on 04/05/2005 1:04:31 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: balrog666
What a crock - she was dead 15 years ago

Dead people don't breathe on their own or have a beating heart.

6 posted on 04/05/2005 1:05:21 PM PDT by FollowingTheGrace
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To: PetroniusMaximus

R.C. Sproul is one of the few Bible teachers that I pay any attention to. He is a breath of fresh air when compared to the fundamentalists that garner most of the attention.


7 posted on 04/05/2005 1:06:20 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: balrog666

I assume you mean "brain-dead" and no, she wasn't. Michael Schiavo, his brother, and that creep of a lawyer may say so, but Terri's family - and even a few of her nurses - have said otherwise. If it comes down to they-said they-said, who is more reliable?


8 posted on 04/05/2005 1:06:25 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Some people march to the beat of a different drummer. And some people tango!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I agree. Read my "Open letter to the American News Media"
at www.gunsandglory.blogspot.com

Everyone should learn that officials of the Nazi party WERE HUNG at Nuremberg for the same crime of murder that George Greer of the Florida 6th Circuit court pronounced on Terri Schiavo.


10 posted on 04/05/2005 1:09:57 PM PDT by ThelastPatroit
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To: ThelastPatroit

I'll bring the rope.


11 posted on 04/05/2005 1:13:50 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Remember, this is only a temporary exile!)
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To: balrog666
Bush Legacy = The Shiavo Solution

Rejoice the Social Security Crisis is solved and the culture of death marches on unhindered.
12 posted on 04/05/2005 1:14:14 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: churchillbuff
Who cares what this R. C. Sproal thinks!

People of faith will have antennas out for what the Lord says to actual men of God like Rick Warren, Joel Osteen, Marcus Lamb etc.

13 posted on 04/05/2005 1:14:43 PM PDT by Ff--150 (But My God shall supply all your need)
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To: ThelastPatroit

It's gotta suck when you can't properly spell your FR handle when you sign up.

Unless you really are the last Patroit. Could be a family name, I guess.

As to your point, there were a number of courts, up to and including the USSC, that would not agree.


14 posted on 04/05/2005 1:16:23 PM PDT by dmz
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To: ThelastPatroit
"...Everyone should learn that officials of the Nazi party WERE HUNG at Nuremberg for the same crime...."

Maybe it is time we issued an official apology to those Nazis. After all, they considered Jews, Slavs, and Gypsies as subhuman just as Judge Greer and even a few zip wad Freepers consider Terri to have had too few motor skills to fit their idea of being properly alive. The pics and further descriptions of Terri smiling pretty well show up the Friends-of-Michael to be Nazis in my book.
15 posted on 04/05/2005 1:19:42 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Technology advances. Human nature is dependably stagnant.)
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To: balrog666

I've met a few people like that myself, usually on this website.


16 posted on 04/05/2005 1:21:48 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Irish Rose

Doesn't matter now, does it?


17 posted on 04/05/2005 1:23:47 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666
Doesn't matter now, does it?

Yeah, what does it matter if Terri was starved to death for money? Jeez, these right-wing theocrats are such one-notes, am I right?

18 posted on 04/05/2005 1:26:37 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Ff--150

So what makes you think that R.C. Sproul is not a man of God? What do you know of his teachings? I think that if you read them objectively you would come to a different conclusion.


19 posted on 04/05/2005 1:27:44 PM PDT by P8riot (Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.)
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To: churchillbuff
The barbarians are definitely at the gate, and at the Walmarts, malls, stores, everywhere. I see them every weekend and they get worse every weekend. Just 7 days will pass and I can find the barbarians acting worse then the animals in the cages at the zoos. They make the caged animals at the zoo look so calm, orderly, thoughtful and civilized.

I am so tired of this "She was gone 15 years ago" rhetoric. I've heard that for 30 years. That is THE most offensive thing to say. I remember working in a nursing home years ago and hearing family members saying that of their parents. "They are not THERE anymore!" Of course they are THERE. Where else would they be! They are NOT dead, they have not YET passed on to heaven and will NOT till their heart stops. Until that point they ARE there.

There is always a tone in the way those who say that "They are not there" say it also. It is as if they are discarding something, an ol piece of rubbish, that has no use. They no longer have to deal with it anymore. It is not up to snuff for them. EVIL, selfish, self absorbed talk this is!
20 posted on 04/05/2005 1:30:13 PM PDT by Esther Ruth ( My flesh and my heart faileth; but God is the strength of my heart, my portion FOVEVER.)
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