Posted on 04/04/2005 9:14:42 PM PDT by CHARLITE
The only anti-Vietnam War protester that can tick off a Vietnam veteran more than John Kerry is Jane Fonda. In her interview by Leslie Stahl on CBS' "60 Minutes" Sunday, April 3, Jane Fonda characterized such reactions to her as "ill-placed anger." In one respect, she may be correct.
It may be "ill-placed anger" neither because her anti-Vietnam War activities deserve praise nor because she makes an exceedingly partial recantation now. It may be "ill-placed anger" simply because of her current irrelevance and because of our moral compunction to attend to more important matters, including bettering our own decencies.
There is no doubt that Jane Fonda's anti-Vietnam war activities were treacherous, if not treasonous. There is no repentance in her continued prideful defense of her anti-Vietnam War activities. In 1972, having accused the U.S. of committing "genocide" by fighting communist takeover of South Vietnam, she volunteered for 10 vehement propaganda broadcasts for Radio Hanoi that called President Nixon a "new-type Hitler" and encouraged South Vietnamese soldiers to desert being "cannon fodder for U.S. imperialism," asserted U.S. pilots' bombing "makes one a war criminal," and she gleefully appeared around the world filmed in the firing seat of a North Vietnamese anti-air gun.
This piece of film she now admits was a "betrayal of the country that gave me privilege."
The hypocrisy and shallowness of this admission was quickly exposed when Jane Fonda defiantly added "I won't apologize" for her propaganda appearance with U.S. POWs, showing no remorse for some tortured for refusing to appear with her, by explaining in her morally blind view "both sides were using POWs for propaganda."
This Fonda effrontery mirrors her 1990 comment to Barbara Walters that she was simply "popping off" when in 1973 she called the returning POWs "hypocrites and liars." In 1975, she applauded the success of the North Vietnamese invasion of South Vietnam with the armaments and tanks supplied to North Vietnam by the Soviet Union (compared to the cut-off of promised arms and support from the U.S.), by going to Moscow to thank them "for sending assistance which the Soviet people are sending to Vietnam."
Even in 1979, when the world was aware of the millions of Vietnamese and Cambodians murdered and starved to death by their communist victors, when even Joan Baez protested the Khmer Rouge slaughter, Jane Fonda refused to join in. As she then told the National Press Club, she was unable to confirm the accuracy of the charges.
Like today, in trying to promote her autobiography with a faint and partial apology for "betrayal" only for her anti-air gun appearance, in 1988 Jane Fonda similarly tried to promote her film career. Vietnam veteran protestors disrupted filming of her latest movie in New England. She said she was "sorry that I hurt them" because "there were times I was thoughtless and careless," fairly vacuous without any recantation of her actions and without any reflection on the evils committed by her communist heroes.
Now, having reviewed Jane Fonda's past and current treachery, moral blindness, and self-serving commercial promotion, and much more could be added to the litany of her sins, why would I say that I tend to agree those who oppose her may display "ill-placed anger"?
I agree, not because anger, even pity for her life of insipid self-delusion, is unjustified. I agree because it is "ill-placed." Her movie career is about over. Only Hollywood gossip reporters, fervent for anything to fill columns with news of her ilk, feign interest in her views of anything. It is "ill-placed" because she is irrelevant, and has earned that irrelevancy and disregard.
She considers herself heroic: "I'm a brave woman. I can go to Vietnam. I can challenge my government." An escorted, choreographed, anti-U.S. propaganda tour by the North Vietnamese during wartime is hardly heroic. It is pathetic, even moreso 33 years later to take pride in it when any idiot should know better.
One may reasonably argue that ignoring her is to forgive her transgressions. It is not. She has not repented, necessary by scruples, before forgiveness is granted. Religious scruples, and common sense, however, call upon us to not poison our own soul with bitterness that has little effect, as she is oblivious to the depth of her sins, and that distract from matters of greater importance. Anger is "ill-placed" just because she is not worth it, and we are. Let's just forget her. She deserves to be forgotten and ignored. Nothing else could so deflate her self-image of being of any worth, and punish her.
Bruce Kesler ChFC REBC RHU CLU
Comments: letters@augustafreepress.com.
"I had been trying (sequentially) to lose my virginity for at least a year and a half with three different boyfriends, but it hadn't worked in the total-penetration sense - almost, but not quite." -Hanoi Jane-
"It's not easy to study your vagina. It takes commitment ... I found my clitoris, of course, and for a good year was sure it was a penis waiting to be liberated ..."
-Hanoi Jane-
What a witch.
I'm almost sickened that I pleasured myself to her from Barbarella...
Did I just say that aloud?
Roger that!
Be Ever Vigilant!
Jane is old, has lost her sex appeal, and would rather be beloved than reviled. Her father was held in high regard and she's realizing that she may not be able to undo the harm she brought on herself by siding with the North Vietnamese. What I can't forgive is her turning over to the North Vietnamese the written messages from our POW's slipped her during her visit. She truly hated them and wished them harm, and did them harm. God may forgive her; I can't.
BUMP Thanks IT, Jane needs a LOT of help...
Pity her?
I cant pity her for what she did.
I didn't agree with Bruce's title, either, but I suppose he is making the point that there isn't one American citizen who would trade places with this woman, now or ever! She certainly dug herself one hellova deep hole and will live in it for the rest of her days. She will never be forgiven.
This can't be looked upon as a matter of "youthful indiscretion!" She wasn't a teenager. She was in her mid to late '30's.
Those tapes of her clapping her hands together like a child on a pony, when she's sitting on that anti-aircraft gun, gleefully absorbing all of the attention she is receiving, while slandering our troops.........those images will forever haunt her, and they are burned into the memories of the men whom she betrayed.
I'm sorry, but I agree with those who passionately say, here on FR and elsewhere, that they will never forgive her.
As a private citizen and a civilian, but a deeply patriotic American, frankly, I can't ever forgive her, either.
In Sinead O'Connors' case, she was justly punished by losing virtually all of her following after ripping a picture of the Pope in two. In the case of Sheryl Crow, I think a similar fate awaits after her incessant attacks on GWB and the Pub party; personally, I will purchase no more of her CD's and am giving the 5 I have to my girlfriend in Vietnam. Now, in the case of Jane Fonda, YOU can pity her if you choose, I'd like to kick her a bunch of times while she's down, then a few more times.
Bottom line ...... shut up and go away Janie, you slut.
Nam Vet
"Hanoi Jane is washed up finally...THANK GOD...I just wish the communist agenda would die with her career:("
Hanoi Jane, in her reckless youth, was a freaking amoral self-absorbed exhibitionist degenerate. She was attracted to radical leftism, she made herself "heroicly" available and she was used - she's a "willing fool." To assauge her profound narcissisim, she writes a book about it. Jane is still reading from the Leftist script - parroting (acting-out) the same old leftovers. Jane's thinking capability is as arrested as her emotional stability. Write a script for Jane Fonda and Ed Asner, and send them after it: EXILED FOREVER - permanent location in France. Fonda's book bares her hedonism and feminist "self-wareness" cliches. She's glib enough, gibes enough, but she's an empty vessel. Without the name Fonda to make MONEY (capital) in order to sustain her errant lifestyle all these years, she'd be on the streets or in Bedlam. I only have compassion for those mentally disabled and emotionally dysfunctional persons who do not have advantages and privileges.
Hanoi Jane, divorced for the third time from another egocentric husband, should couple with Ward Churchill - some duet that would make.
Does the U.S. have an order for exile? Execution for treason? The Julius Rosenberg children advocate against the death sentence through their foundation. Ed Asner is on the board of the Rosenberg Foundation. As I recall, so is self-avowed communist Harry Belafonte.
Sorry, but no matter what anyone calls it by whatever euphemism, like "democratic socialism" (!), pro-Marxist ideology is treasonous to America's founding precepts.
American Civil Liberties Union is a leftist political party that cannot survive in America's regular electoral political process. The ACLU uses, rather abuses, the legal process and the court system to advance its proMarxist ideological platform, e.g., "Religion is the opiate of the people." Marxism is a diabolical mind game. Jane Fonda is merely another of the game's pawns - a "willing fool."
Nothing is more perplexing and contradictory than a wealthy anti-capitalist communist! Why do they worship at the altar of Marxist totalitarianism?
Not likely!
I can think of a few other things that would be more appropriate, like stoning.
Here is what Henry Mark Holzer writes today:
"To make up for the short shrift I was given on Monday evening by the Scarborough show, I was invited back. I insisted that my appearance be solo in a one-on-one with Scarborough (no "debate" with Fonda Fans), and that I have at least a ten minute segment. They have agreed to both conditions, we tape later today, and I am told it will run at 10:30 PM EDST tonight. Stay tuned." HMH
I saw that too and was puzzled. I'm a SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY fan and was wondering why they booked him if he was to be put on for such a short time..........Maybe the show ran long because of prior discussions in earlier segments.
BTW: Holzer was given an hour on C-SPAN's 'BookTV' awhile back when his book came out. I found his commentary and facts about Fonda to be devastating! There was so much there NOT discussed in the MSM.
What is a Klute, and who is Jane Fonda?
"Hey, you are right about the evil spirit grin on her face. Weird."
Weird-on drugs!
Come help us protest her book tour. Details, including Hanoi Jane's tour itinerary, can be found at
http://www.operationstreetcorner.com/janefonda.htm
Please send us pictures and narratives of your protest, so we can get them posted as inspiration to others.
Thanks again for the support! Maybe someday we'll see her behind bars, or even better - swinging from a traitor's noose.
Amanda
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