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Pat is so right: this is another sad page in the history of America's decline.
1 posted on 04/04/2005 5:51:27 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
She was put to death.

Perfectly accurate.

2 posted on 04/04/2005 5:54:45 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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And what is there left to say about that angel of death, the American Civil Liberties Union? As Nat Hentoff writes, the ACLU, "which would be passionately criticizing state court decisions and demanding due process if Terri were a convict on death row Or if Terri had been a lesbian.
3 posted on 04/04/2005 6:00:57 AM PDT by libbybelle
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To: Theodore R.

4 posted on 04/04/2005 6:02:20 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Theodore R.

Why was only one man, Judge Greer, the determinant of the facts in Terri's case?

In most other cases, it is a jury that determines the facts. Certainly the facts in all capital cases are determined by a jury, although the defendant could select trial by a judge if he were so inclined.

Qualified individuals can make wise judgments. An individual can also make horrific judgments. Our society has determined that groups of individuals are more likely to be wise. That is why we have city councils, company boards of directors, and jury trials. Groups of people tend to be "less imperfect" than single individuals.

Setting aside personalities, as distasteful as they appear to be, having only one person determine the facts seems to be the central failing of the judicial system in Terri's case. For the future, that failing could be solved by legislative action.


6 posted on 04/04/2005 6:11:30 AM PDT by LOC1
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Why was the ACLU not at the door of that hospice, denouncing Greer the way it would be at the door of a penitentiary denouncing Jeb Bush, if the ACLU even suspected an innocent man was being put to death?

Because the ACLU was helping George Felos.

The other day, Felos thanked the ACLU for helping Michael's cause. Felos said Michael's cause was only able to succeed because of their help and the help of some others.

For years, the ACLU has been very busily fighting for the right to Physician Assisted Suicide. They know their way around the courts, all right.

Back in 1999, the ACLU gave an award and a dinner (!!the irony!!) to Former Chief Justice of the Florida State Supreme Court, Gerald Kogan, who supports Physician Assisted Death.

12 posted on 04/04/2005 6:32:39 AM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: Theodore R.

A soldier would have been court-martialed for following the Greer court order.
Soldiers have a duty to disobey an immoral order.


18 posted on 04/04/2005 6:59:39 AM PDT by Vapor3 (I will never be a Spanish)
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Terri Schiavo was executed by the state of Florida.
Unjustly so.
19 posted on 04/04/2005 7:00:49 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Calpernia; Dolphy; tutstar
America is a great country because she is good country, and if ever she ceases to be good, she will cease to be great, Alexis de Toqueville is quoted as saying. Are we that America today? Are we the same kind of people? Would the country we grew up in have done this to a disabled woman?

ping

20 posted on 04/04/2005 7:05:02 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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1. Sad that the critical issues are laid out so plainly in an obscure, right-wing internet publication by a right wingnut (sarcasm) Pat Buchanan who has little credibility with mainstream America and no politial viability.

2. Terri death by starvation was cruel and inhumane, but now some will push for legislation that a needle would be better because that's what almost everybody does to their dying animals.

3. This is being approached as if some people who are worse off than Terri could still justifiably be put to death by the courts. Where do we draw the line on the brain-injure and other disabled people if we are now drawing lines?

4. It's all or none with me, at least in theory. The best guidance so far has come from the Vatican; feeding tubes to them are not extraordinary. Are extraordinary means such as ventilators really extraordinary in our times or only extraordinary when the person is not likely to improve?

5. What bothers me more than anything is that I don't like to keep people alive just so they can suffer longer, nor can I in any way justify putting people to death when we have the means to prevent it. Techology has put my thinking on this in a real catch-22.

6. Art Bell (possible lunatic fringe) says his mail is running 50-50 concerning Terri.

7. Some deeply troubling moral questions. We opened Pandora's Box; it isn't going to be closed again; at best, the lid will be repositioned in some yet indetermined and nonuniform way, depending on your country, state or court system.

24 posted on 04/04/2005 7:28:48 AM PDT by Aliska (Theresa Marie Schindler, December 3, 1963 - March 31, 2005, Never Forget)
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First of all, you have the death culture. These are people who want the power to end the life of anyone who is inconvenient for them and who cannot speak for themselves. As we have seen, over time their appetite for destruction will only increase.

These people either do not believe in any god at all, or believe that God's primary concern is their convenience.

Then you have the judges. They have been fully infected with the disease of liberalism, which at its heart says, "We know what's best for you." That turns justice on its head and each case is no longer decided on law and facts, but by the need of each individual judge to feel powerful and important and to impress his peers.

Novelty becomes the rule, but not novelty among the pack. The novelty is from the past, an overturning of mellenia of established human wisdom and a headlong flight into the folly of man's ego.

Rather than limiting the evil of man, they seek to license it. Rather than reforming the heart of man, they seek to "reform" good itself, to redefine good to be whatever is found in the heart of man.

And so the desire to be rid of inconvenient others, a most despicable desire, is empowered. Rather than serving our fellow man, we become his emperor and executioner. Anytime he is unable to speak his own wishes, we become false witnesses putting him to death.

These people were not shocked by the horrific crimes of Andrea Yates, they identified with her and her desire to rid herself of inconvenient others. That suggests they are not satisfied with their accomplishments so far in dealing out death.

At first glance, it would seem odd that their thirst for blood only extends to the innocent: They will move heaven and earth to spare the guilty. But really, that fits withing their perverted reality perfectly. In all their evil, they imagine themselves not just to be good, but to be paragons of virtue. They spare the guilty the rest of society has demanded a blood accounting from in order to demonstrate their greater mercy and magnanimity.

Remember that no matter what, they must differentiate themselves from society to maintain their delusion that they are better, wiser, nobler than the rest of mankind.

One of the many remarkable aspects of the Schiavo case was the attorney Felos calling a starving woman "beautiful and peaceful" and praising "the dying process." The rest of us found those remarks nonsensical, but Felos and his fellow death cultists actually believe this stuff. It is how they feed their megalomania.

25 posted on 04/04/2005 7:31:20 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (</i>)
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And what is there left to say about that angel of death, the American Civil Liberties Union? As Nat Hentoff writes, the ACLU, "which would be passionately criticizing state court decisions and demanding due process if Terri were a convict on death row, has shamefully served as co-counsel for her husband, Michael Schiavo, in his insistent desire to have her die."

The Truth About The American Civil Liberties Union

27 posted on 04/04/2005 7:59:57 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Another thing we need to throw into the mix is the fact that there are perpetrators out there after elderly's houses and bank accounts.

My next door neighbor is late 70's, blind and first her taxi cab driver from India took posession of her house, then her attorney changed paperwork and took posession of her house as well and her bank accounts. SHE OWNS NOTHING.....


28 posted on 04/04/2005 8:04:56 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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We have crossed a watershed in America.

Yes we have. The government has moved from assuming the authority to take a citizen's life without due process, ie Waco and Ruby Ridge, and taking a risk of being held to account to declaring the authority to take life and the authority to justify itself as to whether due process has occurred and the law obeyed.

The judiciary has held itself up as unaccountable to anyone or anything but its own opinions. There is no recourse to that within the system as the system itself has been ruled subserviant to the court.

The President the Congress and the people have found no fault with that made no subtantial complaint about it and there now exists no place to file a complaint.

34 posted on 04/04/2005 9:07:37 AM PDT by TigersEye (You say Barabbas I say Jesus, let's call the whole thing off. (too late now))
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Beyond sad, it's heinous. Some of the Fla Legislature GOP women who voted for Terri to be MURDERED are weeping now. Why? Because they've been called murderers. If the shoe fits, wear it, I say.


39 posted on 04/04/2005 2:16:46 PM PDT by floriduh voter (www.theempirejournal.com Demand the Impeachment of Judge Greer...No More!!!!)
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The "Slow Torture" and execution of terri schiavo.


44 posted on 04/04/2005 4:16:28 PM PDT by Coleus (God Bless our beloved Pope John Paul II, May he Rest in Peace)
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To: Theodore R.

The best article on the subject...period.

Pat is a clear, analytical thinker. When he gets it right, he is well worth reading.


45 posted on 04/04/2005 4:18:20 PM PDT by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY and her HINO)
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To: Theodore R.

Good article!


46 posted on 04/04/2005 5:42:20 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Theodore R.

He is a great writer, so very well said.

I agree. America is a far lesser country today than just a few weeks ago. And, all because of Pinellas County Florida.

What next do they have in store for America? More killings, more wrong is right and right is wrong, what next Florida, what next?


52 posted on 04/04/2005 10:30:46 PM PDT by ClancyJ (The Death Culture Movement - All of us are hosed no matter what we do)
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To: Theodore R.

Thanks for the post. Great article. BTTT!


53 posted on 04/04/2005 10:37:15 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Theodore R.

Thank you for posting this. Escellent article.


68 posted on 04/05/2005 9:02:24 AM PDT by Dante3
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