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RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS SEEK THEIR OWN 'ACTIVIST' JUDGES
Yahoo! News (April 3, 2005) ^ | Sat Apr 2, 8:25 PM ET | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 04/03/2005 6:42:45 PM PDT by Gondring

Friends of Florida judge George Greer describe him as a low-key conservative Christian, a Republican, a family man, a dog lover. Appellate courts have found over and over again that Greer simply followed the law in deciding a sad and controversial case. But for that sin, the Pinellas County Circuit Court judge was invited out of his Southern Baptist Church.

Cynthia Tucker
Cynthia Tucker

 

Apparently, Greer's critics, including his pastor, didn't like his rulings in the Terri Schiavo case, which landed in his courtroom in 1998. They wanted him to be an activist judge -- a jurist who ignored the law and ruled according to the passions of a group of partisans.

Ultraconservatives want you to believe the term "activist judge" applies to a group of determined liberals whose rulings have overturned historic precedent, undermined morality and defied common sense. But the controversy that erupted around Schiavo, who died on Thursday, ought to remind us once and for all what "activist judge" really means: a jurist whose rulings dissatisfy a right-wing political constituency.

Over the next few months, you'll hear the term "activist judge" often as President Bush nominates justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. The president could end up appointing as many as four. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, 80, is ailing with cancer; John Paul Stevens is also an octogenarian. Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg are cancer survivors in their 70s.

With so many likely vacancies, ultraconservatives see an opportunity to drive from the bench any semblance of fealty to the law or the U.S. Constitution. They claim that judges have become the tool of an outlandish liberal fringe that has violated the graves of the Founding Fathers. When right-wing talk-show hosts and U.S. senators denounce judicial activism, they conjure up images of jurists who terrorize the God-fearing, coddle criminals and would -- according to one crazed campaign memo passed around during last year's presidential campaign -- outlaw the Bible.

The next time you hear those claims, think of Judge Greer, whose politics tilt to the right. He is among the targets of ultraconservative ire.

For that matter, think of the current Supreme Court -- hardly a bastion of liberalism. Its justices declined to intervene in the Schiavo case because they could find no legitimate reason to do so.

While the rift between Michael Schiavo and his in-laws, Bob and Mary Schindler, is depressing, family conflict is almost a way of life in America. Courts are called upon often to settle family disputes over money, children and property. Florida law makes clear that a spouse has the right to decide end-of-life issues, and, after testimony from several people, Greer upheld Schiavo's claim that his wife didn't want to be kept alive through artificial means.

It is perfectly understandable that the Schindlers were unhappy with his ruling. As grieving parents, they wanted to believe, contrary to the judgment of several physicians, that their daughter might one day be miraculously restored.

But the attacks on the judiciary by the Schindlers' supporters -- including an attempted end-run by an activist Congress -- made it clear that a minority of religious extremists have no respect for the law and no understanding of the separation of powers on which this government was founded.

Among those who missed their high school civics class, apparently, were Congress and the president. In one of many rulings turning down the Schindlers' request for intervention, an Atlanta federal court judge chastised the executive and legislative branches for overreaching.

"Congress chose to overstep constitutional boundaries into the province of the judiciary. Such an act cannot be countenanced," wrote Judge Stanley Birch, who was appointed by former President George H.W. Bush. Hardly a liberal activist.

The current President Bush has already made clear that his idea of a model chief justice is Clarence Thomas, who has no respect for judicial precedent. But even Thomas might not satisfy the extremists who chastise Judge Greer. They will be satisfied with nothing less than a judiciary steeped in the same narrow religious views they want to impose on the nation.


Cynthia Tucker is editorial page editor for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. She can be reached by e-mail: cynthia@ajc.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cary; hysterria; judicialactivism; liberalnutcase; religiousbigot
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To: anniegetyourgun
Personally, I look forward to the theocracy to come. It's not something I fear. In that day, perfect justice will always be done, as opposed to the imperfect justice we now live with.

Just like a typical Muslim, huh?

301 posted on 04/03/2005 9:05:46 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Gondring
You mean Conservatives fighting for the United States Constitution? That is what is up for criticism? (Since when?)

What is up for criticism is people who say they are Conservatives, insulting people based upon their religious beliefs and not having full command of the facts in this case.

302 posted on 04/03/2005 9:05:47 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Nowhere Man

A very well thought out and articulate response. Thank you...food for thought. Good points.


303 posted on 04/03/2005 9:05:55 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservative & Rational..what a concept!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Check my postings if you wish, I have many to look at. Why does everyone have to be so damn paranoid they get defensive instead of just responding. It seemed like a normal thing to ask. I am sorry if I have made you feel that way, it was not my intention.


304 posted on 04/03/2005 9:06:00 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Yes. You can refuse to eat, drink or take medications.

Agreed. So you agree that Greer's order was judicial activism and an expansion of judicial power (since he ordered that Terri Schiavo not even be given the oportunity to eat or drink orally)? Or do you assert that a state court has the authority to restrict you from any oral ingestion of food and water?

305 posted on 04/03/2005 9:07:20 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: Gondring
The personal biases of a judge cannot be discounted in any court proceedings. That is why there is a need for a continuous revisions of the law. This is to remove the possibility that a judge may apply his personal beliefs rather than what the law states in making his decisions.

In Terri's case, the law could be amended to say that should there be doubt as to the intentions of the terminally ill person whether to continue living or not, the presumption should be that the terminally ill person wanted to continue living unless such doubts are disproved in court.

The conflict here is the testimony of Terri's husband that Terri said she no longer wanted to live and her parents who disbelieved such testimony.

When the defect of the law is amended, then the courts have to rule for life if in case there is doubts whether the wishes of the one terminally ill did freely give such consent.

That certain groups might want to tilt the law to favor their beliefs is hardly disputable in a democratic society. Our entire life is just a matter of faith. We believe some things to be right and some things to be wrong.

The important thing is that before a law is decided, all those who may be affected by such law should be reasonably given a chance to air their views. This is the essence of democracy. Everybody is given a chance to air what he believes is the right thing for government to do. Even if legislators err in their decision to promulgate a law, still there is a chance for the opponents of a law to agitate for the amendment or repeal of a law that they think is not just.

The activist judges may have their way now, but don't expect them to have their way forever. The fact is that just because the activist judges ruled that abortion is a constitutional right does not mean the end of democracy. This ruling of the activist judges declaring abortion a constitutional right may be overturned in the future.

The important thing is that government decisions to adopt a policy must be fair to all parties as far as practicable. This is the essence of democracy. The declaration that abortion is a constitutional right by the activist judges does not mean that people could be forced into abortions against their will. It only extends the right to abortion to those who are willing to have it, but not to require it to those who do want want it.
306 posted on 04/03/2005 9:07:23 PM PDT by Ramonchito
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

It doesn't help by making those comments. Grow up.


307 posted on 04/03/2005 9:07:28 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne
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To: concerned about politics
So did her husband. What's the point?

I was asked to show where Schindler lied. Now some may say she made an honest mistake with the ages. I don't believe that nor do I believe the conversation took place at all.

308 posted on 04/03/2005 9:07:46 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: concerned about politics
In their opinion, only Satanists, earth worshipers, race baiter's and socialists, perjurers, thieves, adulterers, those who cuss like sailors with turrets syndrome, child molesters/homosexuals/pimps, murders and union members need apply for a job on the bench. Only they can find "the truth."

It is astonishing how a few dedicated liberals, over the course of about 60 years, have managed to wholly subvert and invert the First Amendment into the means whereby Judeo-Christian religious belief is accorded second-class, almost criminal status.

Every human being makes decisions based on some sort of personal belief system and worldview. Atheists and Christian-bashers are no different in this respect. But atheists and Christian-bashers have succeeded in ensconcing their belief systems and world views as the de facto governing standards of our entire judicial system through the outrageous conceit which holds that because they do not subscribe to religious belief, their judgments are per se rational and good.

309 posted on 04/03/2005 9:08:47 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Gondring

Agree. Well put.


310 posted on 04/03/2005 9:08:47 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservative & Rational..what a concept!)
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To: yankeedame

That's a nice turn of phrase. The failed law in question however has helped provoke a serious national dialogue. Hopefully, a law passed with more deliberation, its product, will bear more fruit.


312 posted on 04/03/2005 9:10:00 PM PDT by Torie
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To: savedbygrace
Read again. I don't fear liberals; I fear pseudoconservatives who attack the Constitution, try to subvert the law, call for violence against judges, encourage military law, and disrespect the personal rights of citizens.

Think about it... I wonder if this was all part of Randall Terry's big job security thing...push for the Feds to intervene in Florida, to strengthen the justification for Roe v. Wade (Federal interference in states via "constutitionality overreach," so he can be assured of having a long time to keep his fund-raising going. Why else would a person against abortion support a hypocritical stand like his?

313 posted on 04/03/2005 9:10:22 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: Gondring

Yes, not all was so sweet and perfect in this case.


314 posted on 04/03/2005 9:10:43 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservative & Rational..what a concept!)
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To: writer33
Now, if you labeled yourself that wouldn't be any fun would it? (Actually its a very good disarming tactic when talking to a liberal).

You are a Catholic, but that doesn't really tell me much based on my personal experience and reading of this thread. I've seen one FReeper told she is NOT a Catholic because her view differs from the one that prevails on this thread.

Now, I'm not an expert on Roman Catholicism. I do, however, happen to have two Catholics living in my house (I'm not one of them). You couldn't find two more diametrically opposed people than my wife's parents. They are both devout Catholics and have exactly opposite views on this subject.
315 posted on 04/03/2005 9:12:29 PM PDT by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: knowledgeforfreedom
Cite for me another case where a judge has ruled that a feeding tube MUST be removed, and that the patient cannot then be fed orally if they are able. That is what the media (and I) was referring to. If you have that citation, please let us know (you could be the next Buckhead, scooping the MSM on the 'net).

I was very careful in what I asserted. This is not the first time that a feeding tude has been removed, nor is it the first time it has been contested. It is the first time that government power has been used to force a feeding tube removed and deny a person any sustinence, even if they are capable of eating it themselves. Big difference!

316 posted on 04/03/2005 9:12:59 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: jwalsh07
There is no conflict between conservatism and indivdual rights, noen at all

RIGHT! Conservatism is in favor of individual rights, like Mrs. Schiavo's right to choose death over a life of no recovery. It's in favor of keeping a marriage safe from interference. It's in favor of local control. It's in favor of following the law, and respecting court decisions that are made in accordance with the law. All of these things were thrown out the window by the pseudoconservatives who wanted to call in the military, kidnap Mrs. Schiavo, etc.

317 posted on 04/03/2005 9:13:19 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: TheForceOfOne

****This is not an argument for pulling feeding tubes but a desire to know why she is the only one anyone seems to have an interest in, why is that?****


I believe the reason she was the one who everybody got interested in was because her family took it to the people for help. I did have a family member who had her feeding tube pulled and to this day her parents and brother regret their decision to agree to it.

It was because of her that I was paying attention to this situation. Let's just say that it should have been a closed casket. Once you see the reality of what this is you change your mind. I have made my wishes known that under no circumstance that food and water be removed. ONLY if I was 100% diagnosed as terminal in the very end stages of cancer would I refuse food. There is no way I want to go without hydration at all.


318 posted on 04/03/2005 9:14:41 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: Gondring
Personally, I look forward to the theocracy to come. It's not something I fear. In that day, perfect justice will always be done, as opposed to the imperfect justice we now live with.

Just like a typical Muslim, huh?

On the contrary, they're opposites.
The Christians look to the God of lite, the Muslims the God of darkness.
The original Essenes looked toward the sun, the Muslims to the moon.
Christians believe in changing hearts through peoples own free will, the Muslims believe in cutting them out - obey or die.
Both religions are like day and night - literally.

319 posted on 04/03/2005 9:15:01 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Gondring

Actually, all of those were thorw out by a judge who ordered that Terri Schiavo could not be fed orally even if she were able and willing to eat. How do you like that expansion of government power?


320 posted on 04/03/2005 9:16:26 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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