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RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS SEEK THEIR OWN 'ACTIVIST' JUDGES
Yahoo! News (April 3, 2005) ^ | Sat Apr 2, 8:25 PM ET | Cynthia Tucker

Posted on 04/03/2005 6:42:45 PM PDT by Gondring

Friends of Florida judge George Greer describe him as a low-key conservative Christian, a Republican, a family man, a dog lover. Appellate courts have found over and over again that Greer simply followed the law in deciding a sad and controversial case. But for that sin, the Pinellas County Circuit Court judge was invited out of his Southern Baptist Church.

Cynthia Tucker
Cynthia Tucker

 

Apparently, Greer's critics, including his pastor, didn't like his rulings in the Terri Schiavo case, which landed in his courtroom in 1998. They wanted him to be an activist judge -- a jurist who ignored the law and ruled according to the passions of a group of partisans.

Ultraconservatives want you to believe the term "activist judge" applies to a group of determined liberals whose rulings have overturned historic precedent, undermined morality and defied common sense. But the controversy that erupted around Schiavo, who died on Thursday, ought to remind us once and for all what "activist judge" really means: a jurist whose rulings dissatisfy a right-wing political constituency.

Over the next few months, you'll hear the term "activist judge" often as President Bush nominates justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. The president could end up appointing as many as four. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, 80, is ailing with cancer; John Paul Stevens is also an octogenarian. Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg are cancer survivors in their 70s.

With so many likely vacancies, ultraconservatives see an opportunity to drive from the bench any semblance of fealty to the law or the U.S. Constitution. They claim that judges have become the tool of an outlandish liberal fringe that has violated the graves of the Founding Fathers. When right-wing talk-show hosts and U.S. senators denounce judicial activism, they conjure up images of jurists who terrorize the God-fearing, coddle criminals and would -- according to one crazed campaign memo passed around during last year's presidential campaign -- outlaw the Bible.

The next time you hear those claims, think of Judge Greer, whose politics tilt to the right. He is among the targets of ultraconservative ire.

For that matter, think of the current Supreme Court -- hardly a bastion of liberalism. Its justices declined to intervene in the Schiavo case because they could find no legitimate reason to do so.

While the rift between Michael Schiavo and his in-laws, Bob and Mary Schindler, is depressing, family conflict is almost a way of life in America. Courts are called upon often to settle family disputes over money, children and property. Florida law makes clear that a spouse has the right to decide end-of-life issues, and, after testimony from several people, Greer upheld Schiavo's claim that his wife didn't want to be kept alive through artificial means.

It is perfectly understandable that the Schindlers were unhappy with his ruling. As grieving parents, they wanted to believe, contrary to the judgment of several physicians, that their daughter might one day be miraculously restored.

But the attacks on the judiciary by the Schindlers' supporters -- including an attempted end-run by an activist Congress -- made it clear that a minority of religious extremists have no respect for the law and no understanding of the separation of powers on which this government was founded.

Among those who missed their high school civics class, apparently, were Congress and the president. In one of many rulings turning down the Schindlers' request for intervention, an Atlanta federal court judge chastised the executive and legislative branches for overreaching.

"Congress chose to overstep constitutional boundaries into the province of the judiciary. Such an act cannot be countenanced," wrote Judge Stanley Birch, who was appointed by former President George H.W. Bush. Hardly a liberal activist.

The current President Bush has already made clear that his idea of a model chief justice is Clarence Thomas, who has no respect for judicial precedent. But even Thomas might not satisfy the extremists who chastise Judge Greer. They will be satisfied with nothing less than a judiciary steeped in the same narrow religious views they want to impose on the nation.


Cynthia Tucker is editorial page editor for The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. She can be reached by e-mail: cynthia@ajc.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: cary; hysterria; judicialactivism; liberalnutcase; religiousbigot
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To: anniegetyourgun
Iran for one. Listed in the CIA Factbook as a Theorcratic Republic.

Head of government: Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Hoseini-KHAMENEI

The legislature: The Islamic Consultative Assembly.

The Judiciary: Administrative, Clerical and Supreme courts. Their supreme court being clerica as well.

Yep, it's a theocracy in every respective.

281 posted on 04/03/2005 8:53:44 PM PDT by Melas
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To: IronJack
"Religious extremist" is left-wing codespeak for "anyone who believes in God and doesn't hide it under a basket." And the "activist judges" they seek are those who will read, understand, and most importantly, obey the Constitution.

In their opinion, only Satanists, earth worshipers, race baiter's and socialists, perjurers, thieves, adulterers, those who cuss like sailors with turrets syndrome, child molesters/homosexuals/pimps, murders and union members need apply for a job on the bench. Only they can find "the truth."

282 posted on 04/03/2005 8:54:14 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Doohickey

I agree. And as far as my religion, I'm Catholic. On whether that puts me in the religious right or not makes little difference.


283 posted on 04/03/2005 8:54:23 PM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, being released in March)
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To: Gondring
Here is the backlash I feared.... when the radical activists encouraged the Congress/Legislature and President/Governor to ignore the law and Constitution, what right can they have to criticize liberal activist judges? :-(

What law, specifically, and what clause of the Constitution, specifically, do you believe was ignored?

According to the Constitution, the lower Federal Courts are the creation of Congress.

U.S. Constitution. Article III. Section 1. ..... The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

284 posted on 04/03/2005 8:54:49 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: TheForceOfOne
I want to know why no others rise to the level of Terri on this board.

Answered in post#237 (and others). So now what?

285 posted on 04/03/2005 8:55:17 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: OKIEDOC; Recovering Ex-hippie
Lets see you want states rights. Remember 1957, 1964,RICO laws and on and on and on.

If you want another take on states rights, they died in 1865 at the end of the Civil War. In a defacto sense, the Union victory in the Civil War put states rights in the "back of the bus." Yes, there are still some things left to the states but let's say if you "tell the Feds where to stick it" on things like drinking age and until 1995, the 55 MPH speed limit, you would lose your highway funds. I think another thing that made states rights less prevalent was instantanious communication from the time of radio onward to TV, the internet, satellites, microwave towers and so on that made it more possible for a central Federal Government. Transportation fits into that too, you can traverse the nation in a couple of days by car or train or hours in the case of aircraft, before that it took weeks to months. What the Civil War started, technology finished.

I know myself, I tend to have sympathies to the South in the Civil War if I was around then, but I do realize that for good or bad, depending on the case, states rights have taken a back seat. I'm a believer that force or the threat of force has solved every problem in human history and the Civil War was no exception. The Union won, period. To get back to the original intent of states rights in the Constitution, you would either need some sort of collapse of central authority due to very bad economic conditions, an invasion from Red China or an atomic war, such things would weaken a central Federal government leaving the states to themselves and in a defacto sense, you'd have states rights again much like pre-Civil War days although in the future case, you might end up with no central federal government so the point is moot anyhow.

In many other cases, the Constitution is just another yellow document when you think about it, already the gun grabbers violate the 2nd Amendment, we have runaway judges like Judge Greer, perhaps some parts of the Patriot Act, and so on, a lot of them violate the Constitution but they get away with it anyways.

Getting back to states rights, in some ways, the weaking of them is good such as equal treatment under the law for Blacks where we got rid of White and Colored water fountains, sections in sports stadia, busses, going to the school in your district no matter what color your skin is, going to the college of your choice based on grades and tuition, not your skin color, and so on. I think tramping on states through the use of blackmail as in highway funds and the like is wrong though so there has to be limits on Federal power. There has to be a balance somewhere.

I guess in the case of Terri, the Federal Government would be doing it's job if it did save her life, that's what the government should do, protect all of our lives be it from the Red Chinese, the criminal in the street or some judge railroading some poor girl on a feeding tube at the blessing of her reprobate of a husband.
286 posted on 04/03/2005 8:55:28 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian - Any Questions?)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
I am not trying to angle you. I am asking a direct question to you and that's it. Why are no others mentioned?

Thats all I want to know.
287 posted on 04/03/2005 8:55:53 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne
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To: JCEccles
Any government that will not protect innocent human life is not a goverment worth supporting. You don't have to be a social conservative to know that simple truth, but it helps.

Any government or group that will not RESPECT innocent human life (including rights) is not a government or group worth supporting. You don't have to be intelligent and compassionate to know that simple truth, but it helps.

I see that MANY so-called social conservatives (i.e., pseudoconservatives, unlike true social conservatives) now fight for "life at all costs" but they don't respect life, or respect the individuals and their right to decide about their own lives. A true conservative respects people--even if they choose death rather than lying in a bed, without cognition. A true conservative respects the Constitution--even if things don't go his way.

288 posted on 04/03/2005 8:56:21 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: TheForceOfOne
I am not trying to angle you. I am asking a direct question to you and that's it. Why are no others mentioned?

Because no other cases raise the same issues. This case is unlike any other in both Greer's order that the tube must be removed and that she could not be fed orally. There, answered. Next question.

289 posted on 04/03/2005 8:58:00 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: RGSpincich
She didn't just lie about the age she lied about the conversation taking place at all.

So did her husband. What's the point? Shouldn't both testimonies be scratched as personal opinion? Unless Greer can personally channel Satan himself, how could he read their minds to decide who's truthful?

290 posted on 04/03/2005 8:58:12 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
You didn't answer the question.

You did post a lot of good information. I am not trying to make anyone paranoid, I just want to know why no others have been mentioned.
291 posted on 04/03/2005 8:59:21 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne
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To: RGSpincich

I fail to see, in the article you provided, evidence that Mrs. Schindler lied.


292 posted on 04/03/2005 8:59:31 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970)
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To: Gondring
Explain how it preserves individual rights to order a person to not be fed orally. Should they not want to eat (and die), they can easily refuse. So how is a goverment judge ordering that a person not be fed in any manner respecting her rights?
293 posted on 04/03/2005 9:00:05 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: jwalsh07
Gondring, you've Goneroundthebend when you side with the likes of Cynthia Tucker rather than your conservative brethren.

Believe me, I am no fan of Cynthia Tucker, and that's what is disturbing...that the hypocrisy of my conservative brethren in using anti-conservative methods during the Schindler/Schiavo fight has opened up conservatism to criticism. Luckily, Ms. Tucker's own rhetoric does make the distinction...when she says "ultraconservative," we should read "pseudoconservative"...

294 posted on 04/03/2005 9:00:32 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: TheForceOfOne
Are you new to English? No others have been mentioned because no others contain a judicial order that a living person be denied all sustinence in any form. This case is unique in that characteristic, so there are no others to be mentioned.

You are trolling, aren't you?

295 posted on 04/03/2005 9:02:39 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Forget it, passed my bedtime.
296 posted on 04/03/2005 9:02:56 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Yes. You can refuse to eat, drink or take medications.


297 posted on 04/03/2005 9:04:23 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Conservative & Rational..what a concept!)
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To: madprof98
Yeah, everybody who wanted to see Terri Schiavo safely in the custody of her parents is a Ward Churchill nutcase.

Oh yeah, really safe. Take a look at how Mr. Schindler harshly poked her in the head and berated her when she wouldn't follow his commands while the camera was rolling. Take a look at the testimony (albeit later recanted) of how they admitted they wouldn't respect her wishes, even if they became known. Look at how they would have had her limbs amputated, etc., all for their idea that she was their property and they couldn't let go.

To use your words: really sweet.

298 posted on 04/03/2005 9:04:26 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: wideawake
The Quinlan case began in 1975, but it reemerged in national news when Miss Quinlan died in 1985.

You are not really wide a wake are you? Go back to her statement and you will see that Mrs. Schindler was attempting to convey a conversation that occurred before Quinlan was taken off life support.

''Just leave her alone. Leave her. If they take her off, she might die. Just leave her alone and she will die whenever," said Terri Schiavo, according to Schindler's testimony.

A lie. Anyone who can recall this statement this vividly can remember the difference between an 11 year old little girl and vastly different woman of 17 to 20 years old.

299 posted on 04/03/2005 9:04:34 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: TheForceOfOne
Forget it, passed my bedtime.

Be careful. Based on your inability to understand plain English, a Floriduh judge might just rule that you are PVS...

300 posted on 04/03/2005 9:04:37 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Still teaching... or a reasonable facsimile thereof...)
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