Posted on 04/03/2005 11:18:53 AM PDT by lizol
" I want to see an Orthodox Easter service this year. If I am up to, healthwise, being out that late at night"
Well, that one does run late...I've been there until after 2:00 some years. The service of the entombment of Christ on Great Friday evening is also long, but ends by 10:00 and is quite spectacular. I can guarantee you've never seen the like of it. You might want to consider that one and then go the next night to the resurrection Liturgy if you're up to it.
I don't claim to be an expert in Church dogma. I'm just reiterating what our Orthodox Archbishop said. It is not meant to imply that just because you are a Catholic you can receive communion in an Orthodox church. I believe it means if there is NO Roman Catholic church available, for say, hundreds of miles, as a last resort, you may be able to receive communion in an Orthodox church.
I have always been told not to receive communion in a non-Orthodox church because, in effect, I would be excommunicating myself. I know Protestant churches generally welcome all "baptized Christians" to receive communion in their church.
Yes I'm sure that the average rabbi or mullah is praying for him alright. Just the other day, I heard Hezbullah will not kill any Catholic Lebanese to mark a week of morning for the pope. /sarcasm Welcome to reality. What the leadership says in all these branches (to include Catholicism) does not mean that the people/masses will follow. By the way, when was the last time the Catholic priests in Poland prayed for the soul of an Orthodox Patriach after his death? I'd bet never.
We all have planks in our eyes, try to control your self righteousness.
I wonder if he will show as much self righteous anger when his catholic priest fails to pray for the soul of a dead patriarch?
Does that mean you'll finally give up on 1,200 years of trying to catholicize them by the sword? I'm sure the Russians will be releaved.
This pope did a lot of good and there is no denying it. But I somehow don't remember him standing with Bush on Iraq or Afghanistan. I do remember him standing with Clinton on bombing Serbs, though.
That was nice of him, did he bother to ask the Orthodox first? Only Orthodox Christians are allowed to accept Eucharist from Orthodox priests, zero wiggle room. Any who accept it otherwise, do so under false pretense before the eyes of God, thus they nullify any effects of the Eucharist.
Yeah, right, this is the first time there has been an independent Patriach (except for 1917-1921) since Peter the Great. But figures, you've got to sneak one in.
Well that's news to me and probably quite a few Orthodox. We can only accept Eucharist from the Orthodox Litergy and Orthodox priests.
Or that he so disliked the Holy Father, always steadfast in his faith and beliefs, that the Patriarch refused him outright. I've grown up exposed to both branches of faith, the Orthodox and Roman. I've never really understood the Patriarch's disdain for this Pope, Pope John Paul II (I am aware of the issues that divide them), as other Orthodox leaders have agreed to meet with him, even without any pretense of dialogue or ecumenism. Maybe it has something to do with their Soviet era days.
Our priests have made similar statements. Usually it's with visiting protestants that just don't know the rules.
Ask them to cross themselves and then see where their trained instinct takes them. We go right-left, catholics left-right.
Let me rephrase that: the RC Church allows for Eastern Orthodox to accept the Eucharist at RC Churches, but encourages them to defer to their Metropolitans/Bishops. Of course, since every Orthodox Church I know of forbids its members from taking communion at an RC Church, its pretty meaningless what the Pope says on this issue.
MOSCOW, April 3 (RIA Novosti) - Patriarch Alexis II of Moscow and All Russia has expressed his deep condolences to the world's Roman Catholic community over the death of Pope John Paul II.
As the Russian Patriarch pointed out in a message to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, John Paul II's papacy defined a whole era in the life of the Roman Catholic Church and the global community at large; his personality, his books and ideas made a great impact on the course of history.
Patriarch Alexis II said he was hopeful that in the coming years, the feelings of mutual respect and brotherly Christian love would be restored to the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and the Russian Orthodox Church. He also said that he was praying to God for the repose of the deceased Pope's soul.
The leader of the Russian Orthodox Church described John Paul II as a person committed to his Christian mission and ministry, with an ardent desire to bear public witness to the Gospel.
Even when gravely ill, the Pope tried to remain close to his flock. The humble way in which he endured all hardship, trusting in God's mercy, offered an inspiring example to many, remarked Alexis II.
Metropolitan Cyril of Smolensk and Kaliningrad, head of the department of exterior church relations in the Moscow Patriarchate, has also forwarded a letter of condolences to Cardinal Ratzinger. According to the Metropolitan, the Russian Orthodox Church shares the Pope's views on many social issues, and is appreciative of his efforts to promote Christian values across the world and to revive the Christian community's role in enhancing spirituality and morality amid today's massive secularization. He expressed hope that Russian Orthodox and Roman Catholic ministers would continue the Pope's efforts to reconcile the two Churches and have them put their differences behind them.
To me.... it looks as if SOMBODY twisted the Patriarch's words to suit an "agenda" of anti-Orthodoxy in the one that started the thread.
The evil one cringes at the thought of us sharing brotherly love. It is so much better for two large churches with much in common to hate each other, thus say the demons.
The article is from VOA... I am shocked. Such obvious propaganda regarding the Pope and the Russian Patiarch.... why it is shameless.
Please read the post 56 by Marmema. It is what the Russian Patriarch ACTUALLY said as opposed to an an "interpretation" by VOA.
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