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SANDY BERGER: I LIED, I DELIBERATELY DESTROYED DOCUMENTS ON TERRORISM POLICY
National Review ^ | April 1, 2005 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 04/02/2005 6:17:05 AM PST by conservativecorner

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To: peyton randolph
The ex-presidents' club...preserve the dignity of the office by shoving the dirt under the carpet.

Yes indeed.

This is sort of the American version of the Mexican Presidents Club. In Mexico you are guaranteed to leave office as a billionaire. In the U.S. you get a guarantee of immunity from prosecution and the preservation of your image.

81 posted on 04/02/2005 8:07:10 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Eternal_Bear
There almost has to be more here than meets the eye. One does not just stand up in front of the magistrate and plead under these circumstances without some explanation unless there is some real reason not to explain.

The Justice Department had to know that this would cause a fire storm among the Republican base. They are keeping very quiet. At some point someone is going to have to specify Berger's motivation in chopping up these things. Whatever that motivation was, it cannot help Democrats.

At the July sentencing both the prosecution and the defense will have to be much more forthcoming if they expect the judge or magistrate or whoever sentences Berger to accept the agreed sentence.

All of us have second guessed the Bush Administration before, only to learn that those folks were a step or two ahead of us. It doesn't always work out that way (e.g. steel tariffs), but it does so more often than not. For now, I'm willing to give GWB the benefit of the doubt and wait until the sentencing in July.
82 posted on 04/02/2005 8:08:13 AM PST by Manfred Dog
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To: MinuteGal
Maybe we're not supposed to reason why, ours is just to move on or die.

Here's my theory: We are hearing very little about why Berger did this. Perhaps the trail leads back to the Clinton's? Revealing the "why" may be more politically useful 3 years from now during Hillary's run for President.

83 posted on 04/02/2005 8:09:07 AM PST by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: doug from upland
We were singing, bye, bye to Old Media, bye
Oh, MAN...you should've made it...
We were singing, bye, bye, the Old Media lie
JMHO.
84 posted on 04/02/2005 8:09:59 AM PST by philman_36
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To: doug from upland
BTW, it's coming. Don't lose patience w/me. Got it, just haven't mailed it.
I know, I know...I'm such a procrastinator.
85 posted on 04/02/2005 8:11:38 AM PST by philman_36
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To: conservativecorner

Notice how the press, MSM that is, doesn't care to even hypothesize what information those documents contained? Notice how they don't bother to ponder why Berger did it?
Hmmmm...very interesting.


86 posted on 04/02/2005 8:32:38 AM PST by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: philman_36
There are at least two possible explanations:

First, and more sinister, these were copies that had been changed or someone had added notes, etc., thus they were not identical copies and Burger destroyed them to cover up something.

Second, and more benign, Berger really did what he said [this time] he did: He took them to bone up on what they said in preparation for the 9/11 stuff. In that case, he destroyed them because he was afraid to try to sneak them back in the Archives and did not want them found on him.

The first explanation seems more plausible to me and explains the requirement that Berger be cooperative as a condition to his sentence, but the second is possible.
87 posted on 04/02/2005 8:33:29 AM PST by Manfred Dog (Tom Terrific and his faithful companion, Mighty Manfred, the wonder dog)
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To: Mad Mammoth; thoughtomator

I didn't say I liked the deal, but it seems everyone wants to blame Bush when up until this week he was getting blamed for NOT INVESTIGATING Berger.

All I mean is, there were things going on that we are not privy to, and we don't know the details of this either.


88 posted on 04/02/2005 8:45:17 AM PST by digger48
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To: Manfred Dog
There are at least two possible explanations:
There could be dozens of "possible" explanations. As the saying goes..."Anything is possible."
89 posted on 04/02/2005 8:52:20 AM PST by philman_36
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To: digger48

I didn't see any of those "not investigating" criticisms... I was pretty sure that it was being investigated, after all, one couldn't expect regular press conferences giving details of a sensitive national security issue.


90 posted on 04/02/2005 8:53:21 AM PST by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: thoughtomator

reasonable people knew there was an ongoing investigation, but I saw a lot of restless comments that Berger got away with it since he wasn't in court months ago.

I'm as perplexed as anyone over this. Nothing would please me more than to see many more Clintonistas prosecuted and jailed. This was so blatantly overt and stupid, Berger shoulda got 5 years just for being an idiot.


91 posted on 04/02/2005 9:01:24 AM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

Just add this to the pile of unexplained and inexplicable actions from our obstensibly conservative administration.

It's funny, I thought taking national security seriously was what we voted for in 2004. Guess I was wrong, with this case, the border wide open, and Norman Mineta still sitting in the DoT.


92 posted on 04/02/2005 9:04:33 AM PST by thoughtomator ("The Passion of the Opus" - 2 hours of a FReeper being crucified on his own self-pitying thread)
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To: philman_36
Don't pettifog.

Perhaps I should have said "at least two plausible explanations", but the meaning and the intent were clear.

93 posted on 04/02/2005 9:10:13 AM PST by Manfred Dog (Tom Terrific and his faithful companion, Mighty Manfred, the wonder dog)
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To: Pylot

"Bush loses more creditability by letting the Justice Department cut this deal with this thief."

Well isn't that just peachy. You are doing what so many liberals do today....twist facts and make Bush the villain.


94 posted on 04/02/2005 9:29:34 AM PST by Arpege92 (How about rooting for our side for a change, you LIBERAL MORON!)
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To: digger48

Hey and only a couple more to find a Clinton Lover digger48!


95 posted on 04/02/2005 9:29:41 AM PST by Pylot
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To: Diogenesis

Thanks for the Burgler links.
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96 posted on 04/02/2005 9:48:47 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: thoughtomator; wretchard; Howlin; Travis McGee; blam; Squantos; Bommer; Lazamataz; SJackson; ...
"Do you have a reasonable explanation for why this should be punished so lightly? And why a national security clearance for Mr. Berger should ever be considered again?" - thoughtomator

I don't like it, but if he dropped the dime on his boss (which may be a foreign government), then he's going to get off lightly. Likewise, if we are running a counter-intel operation, then we'd make sure that he'd get a light sentence (the harsher the punishment, the more you signal that Berger got something important).

Why should he be considered for a security clearance again? Because if he doesn't have said clearance, then he is technically barred from revealing certain things that he knows as our former National Security Advisor...say, at a trial or to our intel agents.

There is also the strong possibility that Berger is a double agent. In which case, he'll be used to send false intel to a foreign client.

Spookville is a different sort of city than any other town. The roads and rails run backwards there, and all is not as it seems.

97 posted on 04/02/2005 9:49:07 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: conservativecorner

Could someone please explain why Martha Stewart wound up in jail for far less of an offense, and this jackal walks away scott free???

Does this administration lack the b*lls to punish him and expose what he was trying to hide? This is worse than Watergate, by a distance, and it's being treated like a joke.


98 posted on 04/02/2005 9:51:53 AM PST by rampage8
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To: conservativecorner

I don't care if he goes to jail or not. But his clearance has to be pulled permanently and he has to be on record as being a felon. G. Gordon Liddy did far less.


99 posted on 04/02/2005 9:52:23 AM PST by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "You're a luminary!" -- Howlin; "You are a wise man." -- Torie)
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To: Southack
Something happened. He changed his tune and it was undoubtedly a deal. We'll never know the details, just like we'll never know what the documents he took contained.

This is a situation where we can't really have an informed opinion.

100 posted on 04/02/2005 9:57:28 AM PST by Dog Gone
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