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Terri Schiavo's CT scan – another physician’s opinion
American Thinker ^ | March 31, 2005 | Mary L. Davenport, MD

Posted on 04/01/2005 11:52:28 PM PST by FairOpinion

The amount of medical misinformation put out about Terri Schiavo has been truly stunning. The testimony of Terri’s physicians who believe that some recovery is possible has been largely dismissed. Judge Greer’s court and the media in turn, have focused only on the pessimistic interpretations of the raw data of her CT scan.

A physician at a credible physicians’ website has analyzed Terri’s CAT scan and concludes that it has been grossly misrepresented. There is some cerebral atrophy, but it is a completely inaccurate to characterize it as “bag of water.” Furthermore, the author states that

“the most alarming thing about this image, however, is that there certainly is cortex left. Granted, it is severely thinned, especially for Terri's age, but I would be nonplussed if you told me that this was a 75 year old female who was somewhat senile but fully functional, and I defy a radiologist anywhere to contest that.”

In one of the definitive court battles in 2002, five physicians examined Terri to determine if therapy would be of further benefit. Two chosen by Terri’s parents believed that she was not in a “persistent vegetative state” and that some recovery was possible. Two chosen by Michael Schiavo held that she had no chance of recovery, as did the “neutral” physician appointed by the court. This 3-2 decision was key in the 2003 attempt to pull her feeding tube.

One of Michael Schiavo’s medical experts was the right-to-die advocate Dr. Ronald Cranford, who has been an expert in a number other key court cases on our nation’s slippery slope to euthanasia, including those of Nancy Cruzan and Robert Wedlund. But Dr. Cranford has made serious errors in other cases when prognosticating about the prospects of neurological recovery. Frederica Mathewes-Green states that Sgt. David Mack, who was shot in the line of duty as a policeman, was diagnosed by Cranford as

"definitely...in a persistent vegetative state...never [to] regain cognitive, sapient functioning...never [to] be aware of his condition."

Twenty months after the shooting Mack woke up, and eventually regained nearly all his mental ability. When asked by a reporter how he felt, he spelled out on his letterboard, "Speechless!"

In fact, the entire field of diagnosing “persistent vegetative state” or “PVS” is fraught with inaccuracy. Recent studies have shown the rate of misdiagnosis to be as high as 37% or even 43%. PVS is a clinical diagnosis, meaning that it depends on the subjective judgment of the examining physician. Experts in the field cannot even agree on the usefulness of diagnostic imaging.

Dr. Ronald Cranford himself was upset about the articles showing the inaccuracy of diagnosis and prognostication about PVS. Childs and Mercer, authors of one of the studies citing the difficulties of diagnosing PVS, took Cranford to task for “zealously” promoting the concept of the "permanent vegetative state" despite the evidence of its problematic nature, and the regularity with which some patients recover from it .

The nomenclature of “persistent vegetative state” was coined in 1972 by Jennett and Plum in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet. The original article, “Persistent Vegetative State: A syndrome in search of a name” seems to have succeeded in its task as reclassifying severely cognitively disabled humans as non-persons - something akin to vegetables in the minds of many. Public perception of this highly-charged term predisposes many to dismiss the lives of human beings as no more significant than plant life. It is a brilliant, if chilling, masterstroke of propaganda, one which has been swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

This reclassification of non-terminally ill people has allowed for their dehydration and starvation deaths in Britain with a doctor’s recommendation, and in many states in the USA with the family’s wishes (or a patient’s own advance directives). The medical literature is rife with arrogant pronouncements in editorials of learned journals, such as life itself not being of “benefit” to someone in the PVS state. The echoes of current bioethics doublespeak resound in these journals.

In some respects the “persistent vegetative state” is more a political than a medical diagnosis, as it allows its unfortunate victims to lose their right to life and be medically killed through withholding food and water. It is unfortunate that some of the experts on the side of the Culture of Death seem to have had the upper hand in Terri’s fight, and have been portrayed by the media as reasonable and responsible members of the medical profession, rather than the zealots which, in fact, some of their own medical colleagues have branded them.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: catscan; schiavo; shesaliveinchristjim; terri; terrischiavo; wendland
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To: Dave S
Why dont you examine the threads and evidence
INSTEAD OF ATTACKING EVERY POSTER?

Try substituting some scholarship from your persistent disruption.

81 posted on 04/02/2005 7:46:35 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: FairOpinion


Warning: No Not Give This Man,,
ghoul, Ronald Cranford,
Access to Your Infirm Loved One.


82 posted on 04/02/2005 7:47:44 AM PST by harpo11 (Sandy Document Stuffed Underwear Berger gets a slap on his wrist.Terri Schiavo got starved to death.)
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To: thinkingman129

Pat Anderson, who represented the Schindlers for several years, was on Hannity's radio show a couple days ago and the bulimia claim was discussed.

She said that bulimia was never proven, it was simply proposed as a possible reason for the collapse, mainly for the malpractice trial. Michael himself stated under oath on two separate occasions that he had no evidence to prove bulimia. The treating doctors said that they had no definitive answer for what caused her collapse. Her parents and friends have denied it all along.

When it comes right down to it, Michael himself is the only one who really claims bulimia was the cause.


83 posted on 04/02/2005 7:48:59 AM PST by agrace ([ It is He] that brings the princes to nothing; He makes the judges of the earth as vanity. Is 40:23)
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To: Dave S
How many have murdered under color of law?

How many have executed the unwilling handicapped by starvation?

" 9. Between September 1939 and April 1945 the defendants Karl Brandt, Blome, Brack, and Hoven unlawfully, willfully, and knowingly committed war crimes, as defined by Article II of Control Council Law No. 10, in that they were principals in, accessories to, ordered, abetted, took a consenting part in, and were connected with plans and enterprises involving the execution of the so-called "euthanasia" program of the German Reich in the course of which the defendants herein murdered hundreds of thousands of human beings, including nationals of German-occupied countries. This program involved the systematic and secret execution of the aged, insane, incurably ill, of deformed children, and other persons, by gas, lethal injections, and diverse other means in nursing homes, hospitals, and asylums. Such persons were regarded as "useless eaters" and a burden to the German war machine. The relatives of these victims were informed that they died from natural causes, such as heart failure. German doctors involved in the "euthanasia" program were also sent to Eastern occupied countries to assist in the mass extermination of Jews."

[ Count 2, section 9, of the indictment in "the Doctor's Trial" at the Nuremberg war crimes trial;
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
]

Official flag of Pinellas county, Florida - The State of Human Torture and Prolonged Starvation

HEALTHFUL DRINKS WITH WARM MEALS SINCE THE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY JUDGE GREER
Subhuman scumbag Torturer and Murderer-At-Will Pinellas County Judgenfuhrer Greer ..... 65
..................................................................... Terri Shiavo 0
...................................................................... Lee Malvo 49
................................................................. Scott Peterson 48

84 posted on 04/02/2005 7:49:11 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Graymatter

Her struggle to breathe or escape a pressing weight could also
account for the broken bones.

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The undeniable fact is that Terri would have had NO broken
bones had she not married MMM (Murdering Monster Mikey) !!!


85 posted on 04/02/2005 7:50:11 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Can you show me where this disabled woman who was not terminally ill or brain dead but rather disabled similar to a mentally retarded person had ever stated in writing she wanted this inhumane treatment?

Then rewrite the law to say that someones desires have to be in writing or to setup criteria for guardianship or to say that people in PVS have to be reviewed by a panel of truly reknown Neurologists and that atleast four of five must agree to pull feeding tube or plug or whatever. Your task is with the legistlature not the courts. The courts deal with what is given them.

86 posted on 04/02/2005 7:50:12 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
You know Dave here in NY there are loads of homes and institutions for the mentally retarded and some of them have far less mental capacity than Terri had

That a load of crap. How can you get lower than zero?

88 posted on 04/02/2005 7:54:04 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Diogenesis

Already playing the Nazi card eh? I often wonder if the people that pepper their posts with a swastika and stuff like this arent just latent Nazis. Ever consider that?


89 posted on 04/02/2005 7:57:10 AM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S; SouthCarolinaKit; cherry
She had more than three years of therapy and showed absolutely zero improvment according to her Guardian Ad Litem.

Could you direct me to a link for that report? I've heard much to the contrary.

But regardless, I'm with Cherry, who said very succinctly in a previous post that it shouldn't matter if she is PVS or not. She was not terminally ill, she was severely brain-damaged, and we should not be in the business of killing people who don't fit our standard of quality living.

You mentioned lobbying the legislature instead of going through the court system - good point. The laws that were changed in 1999, IMO, were revised specifically to address this case and others like it that will come up in the future. The fact that Felos himself personally lobbied aggressively for those changes around the same time he took on the Schiavo case should be a red flag for everyone.

Although I must say, with Senate President Jim King being the author of those revisions to "end of life" laws, I bet efforts in the legislature would be uphill all the way. King was successful in limiting Terri's Law to one person, and it was found unconstitutional for that reason. He later said he regretted agreeing to that much, and vehemently opposed the idea of saving her life through legislation this time around.

The deck was stacked against the Schindlers from the beginning. It's no wonder things ended the way they did.

90 posted on 04/02/2005 7:58:36 AM PST by agrace ([ It is He] that brings the princes to nothing; He makes the judges of the earth as vanity. Is 40:23)
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To: Dave S

That a load of crap. How can you get lower than zero?

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You seem to be the answer to your own question !!! ;-))



91 posted on 04/02/2005 7:59:43 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Dave S
Then rewrite the law to say that someones desires have to be in writing or to setup criteria for guardianship or to say that people in PVS have to be reviewed by a panel of truly reknown

There's dispute, which Greer obviously ignored that she was in a PVS so that by itself imo should have disqualified the Grim Reaper's "decision".

Making it even more suspect was the way Mikey changed his version of what Terri wanted on several on several occasions. And then there's also those unexplained broken bones and how she came to be incapacitated in the first place. Again evidence Greer pretended didn't exist.

Running around on threads insulting those who feel there was an injustice and insinuating people are "religious fanatics" for doing so makes me feel even more strongly that people like you are never in a position to make such calls for my loved ones.

92 posted on 04/02/2005 8:14:23 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: nicmarlo; floriduh voter; phenn; FreepinforTerri; kimmie7; Pegita; windchime; tutstar; ...

Terri ping! If anyone would like to be added to or removed from my Terri ping list, please let me know by FReepmail!


93 posted on 04/02/2005 8:25:14 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: GeekDejure

This is a probable cause of injury that would not draw blood or overly bruise.. Funny, thinking about the strangeness of her broken bones.. I also came up with this possible scenario... Possibly she was doing TOO well initially..


94 posted on 04/02/2005 8:25:27 AM PST by glowworm ( Rats and rat behavior, a rat is a rat is a rat..)
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To: Dave S
I gave a URL. You have a problem with that?
Then you and your Scientology idiots take it up with those
that know more than the rest of us at the moment.

Please take your ad hominem to whatever rock you live under.

95 posted on 04/02/2005 8:26:58 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Dave S
That a load of crap. How can you get lower than zero?

Have you ever been in a home for the mentally retarded? Have you ever even seen a mentally retarded person? I'm betting not but I can assure you after watching those videos of Terri responding to her parents her brain was functioning, if even in a limited way.

Believe it or not there are mentally retarded people who truly are vegetables as far as the thinking process goes and we wouldn't think of putting them to sleep like an animal.

96 posted on 04/02/2005 8:26:59 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dave S
More likely is that those who attack the messengers of information
and those that discuss Murder-by-Torture [like yourself] might be
Nazi sympathizers or involved in this sordid mess, themselves.
97 posted on 04/02/2005 8:31:14 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: TAdams8591
Examples of Doctors diagnosis in this area are replete with failures. They are frequently wrong.

Science is not an exact science. Search the literature on just about any scientific topic you can imagine, and you will find profound disagreements on everything.

98 posted on 04/02/2005 8:42:46 AM PST by exDemMom (Death is beautiful, to those who hate their own lives.)
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To: exDemMom

Agreed.


99 posted on 04/02/2005 8:44:27 AM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: Dave S
And how many tens of thousands of other non scientologists moved there as well over the past sixty years? What the hell does that prove? That more than one person can enjoy a warm Sunny climate?

It doesn't prove anything. It's just a fact to store here so it can be accessed later. Real estate and insurance people seem to be swirling around Terri's case. You may want to keep the name Jerger in mind, too.

100 posted on 04/02/2005 8:45:02 AM PST by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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