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Time to part company
myself | 4/1/05 | hchutch

Posted on 04/01/2005 2:39:59 PM PST by hchutch

Six months ago, Free Republic was riding high, and I was proud to be a part of it. It was coming off having blown the cover off of Dan Rather’s use of forged memos against the President. The President was well on his way to winning re-election. It was a great time to be a Freeper.

However, things have changed. It started with the justifiable removal of ALIPAC. I supported that move by Jim Robinson, but the ugliness directed towards Alberto Gonzales. He was accused of everything under the sun, and Senator Mel Martinez was viciously attacked for speaking Spanish on the Senate floor. The tone and outright viciousness (terms like FROBL and traitor were fired off at anyone who did not toe the line established by Michelle Malkin and Tom Tancredo) on immigration threads had concerned me, but I had concluded it was an isolated incident. After ALIPAC was removed from FR, I had hoped the tone there would improve. But it only got worse. I was point-blank called a traitor because my views on immigration differ from those of Michelle Malkin’s groupies. On immigration threads, questioning the questionable is not allowed. One must accept the unacceptable and allow folks to defend the indefensible. Never mind that VDARE, American Renaissance, and other sites are racist or have no problem hanging out with those that are racists (I’m just going to call a spade a spade here).

There were folks who had the long knives out for Senator Rick Santorum, one of the strongest pro-life members of the United States Senate. Why? Because he endorsed Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. It was stunning to see these long knives out for a conservative. And all it would accomplish would be his replacement by a Democrat. How in the world replacing Rick Santorum with a Democrat would aid conservatism is beyond me, but it was demanded because Santorum endorsed Specter. The long knives were out, and I suppose it was a sign of what was to come.

The whole Terri Schiavo case has changed everything for me. A mob mentality took over the first few days after the order to pull the tube was given. Anyone who did not toe the line was attacked. I saw a dedicated active-duty member of our armed forces called a “Maine liberal” for simply asking why troops in harm’s way did not get the same sort of “all-nighter” attention that Terri Schiavo got. It was a reasonable question – we have 40-year-old P-3s still out there. We have a war on terrorism still going on, in case folks have not noticed. We have to get Social Security fixed. I say this as a person who believes that at best, Michael Schiavo’s relationship with a woman (and having two kids with her) meant he had a conflict of interest – and that he had decided that Terri was inconvenient. I cannot take his word alone that Terri would have wanted this. I also believe that George Felos is a supporter of euthanasia, and that he is using this case for his own ends. Those folks give me the creeps, and I think that Jim Robinson was on the right side of this issue. However, I also got a very bad feeling when the Schindlers embraced the likes of Randall Terry and Bo Gritz. I had to wonder what has happened to the conservative movement when the threads were allowed to spiral so out of control. The concept of euthanasia is repulsive and disgusting, but it does not excuse allowing the threads to spin out of control.

I have seen the President of the United States, George W. Bush, and the Governor of Florida, John Ellis Bush, take huge political risks in an effort to save Terri’s life. I believe they were doing their best to do the right thing, and that the original law passed in 2003 was a reasonable one that was wrongly stuck down by Judge Greer and the Florida Supreme Court. I think that the Republican Party has taken a huge risk to give Terri a chance at life, and I am disgusted with those who seek a pretext that will justify leaving the GOP in the lurch. I’m sick of the way the Terri threads spun out of control, and the vicious attacks launched at reasonable people who came to a different conclusions about the situation or who pointed out facts that certain people found inconvenient. This is not what I signed on here for.

I believe in a strong national defense, cutting taxes, and in general trying to keep government involvement as minimal as possible (there are times when the best one can do is to limit government involvement in a situation). I am pro-life (with exceptions for rape, incest, and to protect the life of the mother) and pro-Second Amendment. However, I do NOT want the federal government to be involved in any culture war. “Culture” was never mentioned in the constitution, thus I believe it is left to the States or TO THE PEOPLE (see the Tenth Amendment). I do NOT think immigration is a problem, but I believe some mistakes were made along the way (like eliminating the bracero program). I also think that the President of the United States has proposed a sensible plan that will go a long way towards solving the problems on our border with Mexico and do much to alleviate the problems surrounding illegal immigration. Therefore, I have come to the conclusion that it is time for me and Free Republic to part company, because Free Republic has left this limited-government neoconservative. In the process of Free Republic leaving me, I now find that I fear the social conservatives as much as I fear the loony left. As a result of coming to this conclusion, I ask that my account be deleted and all posts I have made, save for this opus and the ping to my friends be removed.

I do this with regret, since I will miss some of those who I have met here, but I feel no other choice. So long.


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To: hchutch
ZZZZZZZZZ

Oh, he left? So long.

181 posted on 04/01/2005 3:20:55 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: hchutch
There were folks who had the long knives out for Senator Rick Santorum,

This is a handful of people (granted they are noisy)

182 posted on 04/01/2005 3:21:43 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: hchutch
Even Rush Limbaugh said today that immigration is not just a problem but a really big problem that may end up putting the Dems back in power in both the WH and congress.

I suspect you like many on these threads wish to reply in feel-good ways about GWB and the GOP in general and do not wish to confront issues that are uncomfortable to many conservatives.

The Bush brothers did not do all they could to preserve life with respect to Terri Schiavo. You wrote that they took a political risk. They did indeed unfortunately the risk they took was weak and unsuccessful. Luckily, Jeb showed us all we need to know about his abilities with respect to his candidacy for President such that he will not be a candidate. At least one good thing came of Terri's passing.
183 posted on 04/01/2005 3:21:50 PM PST by Final Authority
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To: hchutch

Don't expect the world to be perfect. If you can do a little good, it's worth a little trouble and a few insults.


184 posted on 04/01/2005 3:22:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: johnb838
How dare you come swooping in on a day like this when everyone is focused on their grief, on a day when we feel like we're on a deathwatch that's gone on for a month, during an Easter that hasn't been much of a celebration at all, and sh!t all over everything with a stupid demand for attention. GROW UP! Don't come back till you do.

Get out of here! Who needs you? This forum is not for the faint hearted.

You are Exhibit A of what hutch is talking about.

185 posted on 04/01/2005 3:22:44 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: hchutch
You have to have thick skin to remain here.

You must be able to take in the good and weed out the bad.

There is good & evil everywhere, even on FR.

186 posted on 04/01/2005 3:22:52 PM PST by RightWinger
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To: Final Authority
Luckily, Jeb showed us all we need to know about his abilities with respect to his candidacy for President such that he will not be a candidate.

Jeb's made it clear he has no plans to run for President.

187 posted on 04/01/2005 3:22:59 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: rdb3; Southack
Don't take chat forums so seriously. People will always say radical things online that they'd never utter in person.

You got that right, especially if they like their front teeth!It's a beautiful thing, isn't it?

188 posted on 04/01/2005 3:23:07 PM PST by johnb838 (Blessed Are The Dead, Who Die In The Lord, For They Rest From Their Labors.)
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To: hchutch

Sorry to see you go. I prefer myself to stay and debate and cajole, and sometimes shame, but we must each march to our own drummer, and do what seems best for us. Good luck and take care.


189 posted on 04/01/2005 3:24:12 PM PST by Torie
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To: RepublicMan4U

Sorry. You're stuck with it. LOL


190 posted on 04/01/2005 3:25:26 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: RepublicMan4U

Just ask Jim Robinson in a freepmail. He'll take care of it if you ask nicely.


191 posted on 04/01/2005 3:25:30 PM PST by EllaMinnow
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To: hchutch
How in the world replacing Rick Santorum with a Democrat would aid conservatism is beyond me, but it was demanded because Santorum endorsed Specter.

Then you don't grasp cause & effect. Or, you actually mean 'Republicans' when you say 'conservatism.'

If Republicans are allowed to go as far leftward as they want without any negative consequences from the right, then they will do so.

192 posted on 04/01/2005 3:25:43 PM PST by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: wyattearp
BTW, how do you post a picture?

And you've been here how long??? :)

First thing you need to do is sign up for a free account at photobucket.com or imageshack.com or any photo host site of your choice. Once you've done that, just upload the pic that you want to post to that site. The site will then provide you with several hotmail codes. Copy the code that begins with "< img" and paste it here in your reply box. Piece of cake!

193 posted on 04/01/2005 3:25:44 PM PST by silent_jonny
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To: hchutch

An excellent opus. I pray you reconsider.


194 posted on 04/01/2005 3:26:13 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: k2blader; arasina; cyborg; Clemenza; martin_fierro; Darksheare; Atlantic Friend; Gabz; ...
Marcel Proust:

Yes, I feel zat it iz time for zay MAGNAM OPUS!

(Begins work on monumental, continuous vanity thread. Still refining his prose twelve years later.)

195 posted on 04/01/2005 3:26:29 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("Kill For Peace.")
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To: johnb838
You don't get it either. We aren't name calling, we are making statements that are literally true. WAKE UP!

Maybe in your own twisted dementia. I have been called a democrat, a nazi, a communist, a marxist, an athiest, etc, ad nausea. It is usually by some self righteous idiot that is mentally incapable of making a valid argument, so instead resorts to name-calling and typing their last sentence in all caps, followed by an exclamation point.

196 posted on 04/01/2005 3:26:50 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: hchutch

Is this an opus? I never read one before. Cool.


197 posted on 04/01/2005 3:27:17 PM PST by Jrabbit
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To: rdb3
Don't take chat forums so seriously. People will always say radical things online that they'd never utter in person.

You got that right, especially if they like their front teeth!

In some cases, more akin to "especially if they like not getting shot." Some of the insults I've taken of late are the sort of thing I refrain from saying unless I am absolutely certain the target isn't packing heat.

198 posted on 04/01/2005 3:27:20 PM PST by Poohbah (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Which is it?

Lurked here since '98. You have a problem with it? Tough. Why not create your own holier-than-thou vanity on the subject? Bet hchutch could give you some pointers.

199 posted on 04/01/2005 3:27:45 PM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: hchutch
also got a very bad feeling when the Schindlers embraced the likes of Randall Terry and Bo Gritz. I

The only way I can justify in my mind, that the Schindlers associated with these two, is that they were completely desperate.

I don't have children, so I can't claim to know what a parent would go throw when faced with the prospect of losing a child, but I would bet that something about 'the ends of the earth' would come into play.

200 posted on 04/01/2005 3:28:19 PM PST by RushCrush (Ideas are like children: there are none so wonderful as your own.)
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