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Live Thread: President's Remarks on Terri's Death
various | 3/31/2005 | Pyro7480

Posted on 03/31/2005 8:05:44 AM PST by Pyro7480

President Bush will make remarks on the death of Terri Schindler (Schiavo) at 11:40 am EST.


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To: Natural Law
BS! This is a clear Constitutional crisis brought about by an incrementally growing power grab by the judiciary. The President acquiesced.

Government is a blunt instrument, it doesn't respond immediately to new, unusual, or complicated situations.
If it did it would be more like a dictatorship, all the checks and balances get in each others way at inopportune times.

That being said, we would expect that changes will be made to make sure another innocent is not tortured to death in the name of our government.

441 posted on 03/31/2005 10:01:40 AM PST by oldbrowser (What really matters is culture, ethos, character, and morality)
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To: proud American in Canada

Thanks. Get back to me when Congress declares War on Iraq.


442 posted on 03/31/2005 10:01:55 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: proud American in Canada
Those of you demanding that George Bush should have overstepped his authority for Terri, are, in essence, treating the Constitution as so much toilet paper, and are demeaning the sacrifice made every day by U.S. troops.

The exact oppostie is true.

Our boys are dying for Arab freedom while our entire political and legal class blithely negates the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution...the very foundation of our liberty...the right to not be killed by your own government.

443 posted on 03/31/2005 10:02:29 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("I thirst.")
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To: PhiKapMom
I recognized some of the posters who are against W and Jeb. It really bothers me.

As Rush as said, if we don't like the laws, change them. That is what needs to happen NOW.

It also highlights how much the judiciary needs to be toned down.

444 posted on 03/31/2005 10:03:01 AM PST by mathluv
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To: eyespysomething
Ouch. That'll leave a mark.

Well, just duck. Red Herring's are easy to spot long before they hit.

445 posted on 03/31/2005 10:03:02 AM PST by frgoff
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To: FreedomCalls
Not on this issue. 80% of people surveyed support the decision to kill Terri.

This was about more than Terri, This was about the rule of law, actually, WHO THE RULERS ARE. Bush has made it plain through his SILENCE, that Congress, the congress that represents the people, must bow down to a circuit court judge.
When the President bows down to circuit Court judges and foreign potentates, well, what kind of man is that?
446 posted on 03/31/2005 10:04:34 AM PST by hushpad (There can be no Social Security without Homeland Security.)
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To: hushpad
...my personal observation is that FLORIDA IS A MESS in more ways than one, ...

That's a huge understatement. It's one of the most corrupt states in the Union throughout its structures. The Governor did ask for federal assistance, indicating his assessment that the State was no longer functional, but the attempt to help from the federal level was ignored. The Executive and the Legislature made no complaint, legal or oral, about that.

447 posted on 03/31/2005 10:04:41 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: jpl
He doesn't have any long term plan for judicial reform. He can't even muster up the cojones to recess appoint his own nominees that are being blocked in the Senate.

Currently not one nominee is blocked by the Senate. We're not at that point in the process yet.

As for recess appointments prior to this Congress, they would all be out of jobs now, as per the Constitution.

Please be more careful to learn something about the confirmation process before attacking the President.

448 posted on 03/31/2005 10:04:49 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (Mindless BushBot)
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To: El Gato
At worst the Bush's committed "sins of ommission".

But if you believe in a federal government with limited power, then you really can't fault the President for a "sin of omission" if he did not exceed his authority. The President is not responsible for every wrong in the country and he can't change every dirty diaper.

they shouldn't have had to act at all.

If you believe that then you should allow them to appoint more judges who hold similar moral views and sense of how the government should act. That is the way forward -- to get OUR life judges in positions of power and remove the death judges. The worst way would be to allow the Democrats to win the next election and have them appoint even more death judges to positions of power.

449 posted on 03/31/2005 10:04:58 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: COEXERJ145
And some of these people here that wanted the President to go against the Rule of Law would have cruicified him if he had. Some chose this issue to bash!

Yep, for many that is all this is about.

Oh, but if Kerry were president...

450 posted on 03/31/2005 10:05:45 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: COEXERJ145
So when the law says you have to kneel down then addressing a member of the government are you still going to be defending the rule of law?

There is natural law and divine law and then there is man law. Then mans law conflicts with natural law or devine law it is no longer law. It is tyranny

451 posted on 03/31/2005 10:05:48 AM PST by jpsb
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To: El Gato

The blame rests with all of us. Me, you and everyone else who did little or nothing to save her. BUT, where is the line drawn? Sure, a team of Freepers or other people could have been thrown together and have successfully stormed the place while eliminating in a most violent fashion, anything that stood in our way... but we have to look at the consequenses of those actions... Now we have to judge ourselves for what has happened individually and as a nation.

A turning point in history has been reached. There is a Judicial power grab at play and we the people must decide how far to let it go. There is fear among the executive and legislative branches of government where the Judiciary is concerned. This is obvious when you look at the actions and lack of action that has occured in the past few weeks.

There is only one solution to this problem that is acceptable at this point in time. Judge Greer must step down from the bench for good. If he doesn't, he must be removed by Congress for conspiracy to commit murder, contempt, and anything else that he can be nailed with. If he is removed violently, nothing will be gained and much may be lost.

The key is that Congress MUST step forward and act to ensure that Greer sees the unintended consequenses of his actions.

As for Terri, we can only blame ourselves. Why? Why didn't we stop this from happening? I know I should have done more. I didn't. I blame myself. I cannot lay blame to the President or to the Gov. of Florida without also blaming myself.

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone." Wise words, wouldn't you say?

Mike


452 posted on 03/31/2005 10:06:41 AM PST by BCR #226
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To: Rutles4Ever

"Get back to me when Congress declares War on Iraq."

Congress did give the President authority shortly after 9/11.


453 posted on 03/31/2005 10:06:58 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: TAdams8591

Words are cheap. The fact is that everyone in power, including the Bush brothers, who had the authority to save Terri from a rogue judge and a demented estranged husband, refused to help her.


454 posted on 03/31/2005 10:07:07 AM PST by Dante3
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To: jpsb

In this case you are right. Murder is a crime no matter how many laws allow it, no matter how many majesties in robes say it is "lawful".


455 posted on 03/31/2005 10:08:00 AM PST by bvw
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To: EternalVigilance
I talked with law enforcement on scene, and they laughed at the idea that they would ignore the order of the top law enforcement officer in the state.

Of course they did. It's ludicrous to think that they would have defied the Governor and fired on fellow officers.

456 posted on 03/31/2005 10:08:44 AM PST by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: mathluv
As Rush as said, if we don't like the laws, change them.

Oh okay - I'll get on the phone to the White House and tell them I've changed the laws.

It seems our Republican majority in Congress (the ones who change laws) haven't gotten much done. Is Rush saying we need to vote them out of office?

457 posted on 03/31/2005 10:09:07 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: proud American in Canada
Those of you demanding that George Bush should have overstepped his authority for Terri, are, in essence, treating the Constitution as so much toilet paper

Have you read it? Do you know what an originalist view of "executive power" is? No document or body of legislation can foresee all possible future events and assign a pre-determined path for dealing with them. The executive--in Florida (by their constitution) and the United States, by the U.S. Constitution--is vested with executive power so that action can be taken above, outside, beyond the rule of law when need be. Lincoln exercised it; Truman exercised it. Both were upheld later by the Supreme Court. It exists for a reason. In this case, either executive could have done almost anything he wanted, and the fact both desisted long before exerting their true authority simply means they have bought into a supreme judiciary. Which, I submit, is treating the Constitution like toilet paper.

458 posted on 03/31/2005 10:09:15 AM PST by DC Bound
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To: nikos1121
Any president, dem or repub would not be to blame for this.

The execution of court orders is done by the executive branch. No human being can even be executed done without the cooperation of the executive.

In the case of Terri, the police power of the executive branch was used to restain people from feeding and hydrating her--in other words, to enforce the unconstitutional court order. A simple executive order could have put that to an end, Law enforcement is under the command of the governor, and failing that, the Commander in Chief.

459 posted on 03/31/2005 10:09:16 AM PST by Gelato
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To: bvw

the law used to stand for justice, it now stands for power.


460 posted on 03/31/2005 10:12:57 AM PST by jpsb
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