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Pope may be given a feeding tube....

Posted on 03/29/2005 11:26:11 AM PST by repubzilla

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To: Askel5

Terri's feeding tube was inserted when she was first brought in to the hospital in 1990. Michael had nothing to do with it.


141 posted on 03/29/2005 6:29:48 PM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: olde north church
A belief in the continued dogma re: artificial birth control should preclude non-flesh, blood, bone, et. al. devices to extend life.

That just shows you don't understand the dogma. It's not because birth control is "artificial", it's because sex should not be divorced from procreation. Thus the only allowable birth control is abstinence. It's also a violation of the Biblical command to go forth and multiply.

Not that I agree, I believe we've more than satisfied that command. I also believe that sex, in humans, is about a lot more than simple procreation. It's also about maintaining the bonds of marriage in the nuclear family in which to raise children.

142 posted on 03/29/2005 6:30:54 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

The Ford Foundation too, IIRC.


143 posted on 03/29/2005 6:31:09 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Abortion, euthenasia, socialized medicine, don't Democrats just kill you.....)
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To: repubzilla

WOW, it is an amazing coincidence. GOOD thing the pope spoke out in favor of them, and explained the Church's stance on the issue.


144 posted on 03/29/2005 6:32:58 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!!!)
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To: azhenfud
30 something (?) female

Terri is 41, she was 26 when all this started.

145 posted on 03/29/2005 6:33:04 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: johnb838
apparently the local Bishop does not support Terri

If true, the local Bishop is lucky that the pope is feeling poorly these days.

146 posted on 03/29/2005 6:34:58 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

The Church has long allowed the 'rhythm method' of birth control.


147 posted on 03/29/2005 6:35:07 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: areafiftyone
The pope cannot do anything for Terri. It is out of his juridiction. Terri does not live in Italy.

Tell that to the Poles. Lech Welensa(sic) doesn't live in Italy either, but the Soviets found out how many divisions the Pope had.

148 posted on 03/29/2005 6:40:13 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Q: Does the Pope, or anyone else, have the moral right to refuse the feeding tube?

They have the option, it's not exactly a "moral right" but you cannot force a person to eat.

Even where you don't have a person like Terri who clearly wishes to live and refuses to die, one must err on the side of providing sustenance.

Christians look to Christ for guidance in this instance:

  1. Christ himself took the vinegar on the cross when it was all that offered to refresh him as he died.

  2. He was most specific about what separates the sheep from the goats:



And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty,
and all the angels with him,
then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.
And all nations shall be gathered together before him,
and he shall separate them one from another,
as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand:
Come, ye blessed of my Father,
possess you the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world.

For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat;
I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink;


I was a stranger, and you took me in:
Naked, and you covered me:
sick, and you visited me:
I was in prison, and you came to me.

Then shall the just answer him, saying:

Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee;
thirsty, and gave thee drink?

And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in?
or naked, and covered thee?
Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee?

And the king answering, shall say to them:

Amen I say to you,
as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren,
you did it to me.

Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand:
Depart from me, you cursed,
into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.

For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat:
I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink.
I was a stranger, and you took me not in:
naked, and you covered me not:
sick and in prison, and you did not visit me.

Then they also shall answer him, saying:
Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty,
or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison,
and did not minister to thee?

Then he shall answer them, saying:
Amen I say to you,
as long as you did it not to one of these least,
neither did you do it to me.

And these shall go into everlasting punishment:
but the just, into life everlasting.


149 posted on 03/29/2005 6:40:46 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: repubzilla

Prayers up for the Pope.


150 posted on 03/29/2005 6:45:22 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: OldFriend
The Church has long allowed the 'rhythm method' of birth control.

Well yes, but that is a form of abstinence is it not?

151 posted on 03/29/2005 6:46:19 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
It is a way to have sex without procreating.

So the statement that sex is ONLY for procreation does not measure up.

152 posted on 03/29/2005 6:52:02 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: sandyeggo

Thank you for your correction. I wrote in haste, and I'll see if the moderator can remove that post.


153 posted on 03/29/2005 6:54:26 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort.)
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To: ContraryMary

=== Michael had nothing to do with it.

Absolutely he had something to do with it. It was under his orders that she was barred from taking food or drink by mouth and restricted solely to the tube for feeding.

Get your facts straight. None of this had to happen. In fact, if Michael still stood by his sworn testimony and that of his hired guns in the malpractice suit instead of opting to kill her based on belatedly recalled hearsay, there would be no question of Terri's being a burden.

For all we know, she might have been eating solid food and forming actual words by now had her husband not elected to shut her in a closet and use her rehab funds on finding an attorney who'd win his right to starve her to death.


154 posted on 03/29/2005 6:54:58 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5
Then you didn't read my post. I said Michael had nothing to do, as you claimed, with the feeding tube being inserted.
155 posted on 03/29/2005 6:56:55 PM PST by ContraryMary (WPPFF Member)
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To: OldFriend

=== So the statement that sex is ONLY for procreation does not measure up.


It's always annoying to listen to those ignorant of Catholic teaching presume to debate whatever dwarf opponent they've fashioned for themselves.

The Church has always been specific about the fact that sex is, by its nature, unitive AND procreative.

Because it is unitive and the physical expression of the utterly selfless and total giving of one's self in Holy Matrimony, birth control is illicit on the grounds it withholds a person's true potency and thereby negates the unitive nature of sex.


156 posted on 03/29/2005 6:58:47 PM PST by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: SouthernFreebird

"...WOW. God is speaking to us...."

Yeah, but are we listening? If not, we need to. So many prayers for so many.


158 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:03 PM PST by NCC-1701 (AN ACTIVIST JUDICIARY IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: sandyeggo

Hey, no problem. You really made me feel like a dweeb. I'm sorry I ever put that up here. I think I'll retreat into some prayer and contemplation of Easter week now...


159 posted on 03/29/2005 7:11:31 PM PST by donbosco74 ("Men and devils make war on me in this great city." (Paris) --St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort.)
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To: repubzilla

Like the German Catholic priest who sacrified himself in the concentration camp by replacing a Jewish man who had been condemned to starve to death, he should/could consider refusing this tube in his own hunger strike against Terrri's agonizing weeks-long murder.


160 posted on 03/29/2005 7:15:55 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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