Posted on 03/29/2005 11:00:33 AM PST by EternalVigilance
JEB COULDN'T - THERE WAS A COURT ORDER FROM JUDGE GREER STOPPING HIM.
And in case you haven't been paying attention, Jeb did send state agents to do just that. But the force he sent was so small that the "deputies" blew them off. The deputies would have beat feet if DCF had shown up with 60 or 100 national guard troops in tow. There wasn't going to be any cop vs cop shootout. It was a poker game. The judge bluffed, and Jeb folded. And Terri dies. |
Courts should say yes (guilty) or no (not guilty) and impose penalties for the guilty in criminal cases, and yes (the plaintiff is right) or no (the plaintiff is not right) in civil cases and then award or not award fair compensation. Prescribing remedies is beyond their purview.
Yet, that is what got us where we are, courts deciding how a problem should be solved. In Texas, in the wake of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Judge William Wayne Justice basically ran the prison system for thirty years or so. Judge Barefoot (yep that's his name) Sanders ran the states school sytems.
IMVHO, Mr. Keyes has eating a big bowl of stupid-o's for breakfast every morning for at least two years, now. :P
"Their is a reason why Keyes never has, nor will, hold elective office."
I don't understand your statement. What is the antecedent to the pronoun?
THANK YOU, and amen!
Is this why Jeb Bush called off DCF? If so, it was not, therefore, because it was illegal for Bush to do so but to avoid potential violence between different governmental agencies. Is this correct?
Chief executives cannot defy courts any more than we can. If we want them to do that, and I am not sure we do, we have to change the law.
If Jeb was a poker player, he folded with 4 kings in his hand.
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Excuse me .. then I'm sure you haven't read your Bible lately .. because GOD said, "Be subject to those in authority over you". GOD does not advocate disobeying the laws.
It's like they want him to declare martial law and send in the cops and national guard. I mean, that is basically what's being called for.
Can't you see some Clinton-alike in the future using an act by W or Jeb to justify sending in the JBT's against some innocent poor sod because "it might save lives."
What if those laws are in conflict with His laws?
Well .. this law would work - if there were no previous court actions which work against this law.
I cannot understand why people think they can just pick a law out of the middle of a case and say it proves the whole rest of the case is no longer valid. That's just nuts.
The combination of a potential for violence between government agencies coupled with the fact that he did not have the courts on his side would have prevented any Governor from acting.
Well, considering the police there were ordered by the court to not allow anyone without a judge to take Terri, then how do you figure to save her with Jeb?
Not only did state courts rule against him, but above him, the Federal courts ruled against him.
The President can't even do anything with this mess.
If either the President of Florida Gov. go King George on this by decree, then they get impeached out of office.
Where's the remedy supposed to be for Terri in all that mess?
Ridiculous assertion. That's not what Keyes says, and if you have fifth grade reading comprehension skills, you know it.
If Keyes' argument was worth the effort, I'd explain why his legal analysis of the governor's authority is bogus.
In other words, you don't have a counter to his clear and concise argument.
Can you explicitly explain to me why Article One, Section Two, does not apply to Terri Schiavo?
Because if she is a PERSON, it must.
"you have bought into the completely destructive myth of judicial supremecy"
And you are incorrect .. I have not "bought into" anything. Judge Greer issued a court order - which people now want to say either didn't exist or didn't matter - and somehow the Governor had the "supreme authority" to disregard it. That's just nuts.
As far as I am concern this is no longer a Conservative, Liberal, Democrat, or Republican Issue. This is now either you are right with God or you are not. My eyes have been opened in part to the numerous postings and comments made regarding this issue. When we have to argue over the rights of a handicap individual to live; when we have to put a price tag to life; when we see nothing wrong with starving a human being to death; when we can take parents and make them watch helplessly while their child withers away in pain and not allow them to comfort, help or aid her; then it becomes clear what this fight is all about. God said he would take those that were lukewarm and spat them out of his mouth. Whether President Bush is a good man is not in my place to pass judgment but it is now with a grain of salt that I take anything President Bush has to say. I can not hear him speak words of Good when all I can see is a woman being starved to death and told we could not do anything legally to save her. I just can't see God accepting that excuse.....
That doesn't answer the question.
Was the reason DCF did not take her was because they did not have the legal right to or was it due to the extenuating circumstances you describe?
That wasn't what I meant to imply with my statement at all--sorry if I did.
All my original statement said was that if Keyes wanted to be consistent, he would also have to argue that the state of Florida doesn't have the power to imprison or to execute.
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