Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
If you think the people of this nation are mad at bush, imagine what G-d has in store.
Agreed. I have NEVER been mad at President Bush...NEVER.
But I am now. He seems to have lost his pair. Either he lost his pair, or he's just been toooo busy this past week meeting with Vicente Fox about how to bring more illegals across the border.
You know Mike Gallagher just pointed out on his radio show that Bush didn't even find the time in his busy schedule to say ANYTHING AT ALL about this country's 2nd worst school shooting in history in Red Lake, MN!!!! WTF is THAT about? He's the president for god's sake! He is this country's spiritual leader! President Reagan would've been on top of it guaranteed. Oh man I miss him right now.
Look, I'm a conservative and a life-long Republican. I know some folks around here hate to hear any criticism of Pres. Bush, and I'll probably be flamed for this post. But damnit MY President is letting me down. He's selling us off to Mexico, he can't find the time to offer comfort after the 2nd most bloody school massacre in US HISTORY, and he won't step in to save the life of a disabled lady being killed by her estranged husband without due process! What happened to good ol' first term W? That's who I voted for.
As of right now, I don't know that I'll align myself with the Republican party again. I am a die-hard conservative and I always will be. My votes will go to the most conservative on the ballot, but I think my work with GOP is done. I said it on another post but it bears repeating....The cowardice from the oval office is the last straw....Just call me Pat Buchanan.
On that note, I really want a little clarification about this site. Is Free Republic a strictly "Republican" site? I thought this was a safe place for conservatives. Am I wrong? Is there no room for conservatives that don't see a lot of true conservatism from Pres. Bush? Just curious.
Thanks,
another true conservative ex-GOPer,
def_dave7
Bush (hell, BOTH Bushes) is/are more of the same all-Yale-all-the-time East Coast elite. He tossed us just enough in the way of bread and circuses, knowing we were so starved for anything even remotely resembling conservative leadership after 8 years in Clinton hell to get himself re-elected. Now we will see the true heart of this phony Christian Republican revealed. Essentially erase the boarder. Vilify true patriots for daring to stand up to the criminally negligent government. Pull his forelock inf ront of a tyrannical judiciary and expect us to do the same. Am I the only one worried by how much time old man Bush and the impeached former occupant of the oral office are seen together? Does Hillary have something on the Shrubs? 700 plus files (some say as many as 900) were in Billary's possession and I guarantee they have heard of Xerox machines. Has a deal been cut between the Shrubs/Toon's? Is all hell going to break loose if Bruno doesn't receive the Presidency as is her due? Stay tuned. Something IS going on here, people. We're being lied to on all sides and being driven.
MY POINT EXACTLY. WELL SAID!
Vilify true patriots for daring to stand up to the criminally negligent government
Remember, he called them "vigilantes". They're PATRIOTS defending OUR borders, Mr. President!
bumpo
The three-monkey Republicans just don't get it. Through the first 150 responses, all I have read in defense of the Bushes is (1) they shouldn't break the law, as if the Constitution is not the law; and (2) criticizing them is only repeating DU talking points. No consideration given to sober reflection by the criticizing posters, and certainly no addressing the points of the criticizing posters.
Oh well, thanks for bringing up the leadership point. Keep hammering it home. I've said it many times, and will continue to say, that the next four, now three, years is going to bring more and more intellectually honest FReepers to disenchantment, cynicism, and grief.
I agree. Leadership is desperately lacking. Sadly, even from The Republican Party now.
Don't know if anybody replied to your implication about GWB's accent versus his brothers' accents - by the way - he has three brothers, not two. Jeb, Marvin and Neil Bush, likewise sister Doro Bush Koch, are not Texans, while they might have lived in Texas with their parents early on. They spent much more time outside of Texas and never aspired to picking up the ways of Texans. They chose to live in other regions/states of the US. GWB makes no bones about wanting to be Texan and all which that entails. He wanted to be influenced by the accent of most Texans, and he has been. I myself are born and raised in Texas. I am aware that my way of speaking is different from the generally accepted norm - whatever that is. I can speak both Texan and non-Texan(to a degree) when I am in varying situations. So can GWB, or haven't you noticed that the man himself does not always sound the same, depending on the occasion and who he is speaking to? His brothers aside...
"I myself are was born and raised in Texas"
Oops, now even I, Texan, know better than that...
That's something that the 'its the law' people do get. We have law in this country. People that would and did scream bloodly murder when Clinton broke it are suddenly cheering on lawlessness like it's okay so long as we do it.
The sad fact of the case is that there is so much hearsay and rumor out there, that people want to believe that Terri is really okay, just misdiagnosed, and the victim of a terrible conspiracy. It's an enticing thought, and people want it to be true because we want to believe in the happy ending. Sadly, there's another explaination. It's very sad, and very pedestrian, and no one much wants to hear it.
Still, another nice thing about the 'its the law' crowd is that we realize that laws can be changed. America has done far worse things under the cover of law than to prevent the death of a woman with almost zero brain activity. But we learn and we fix it. This issues is now a very public one, and states are feeling the heat on it. Expect the laws to change, and soon. It's not the perfect answer, but unless you've got the plans for a better system of government in your pocket, it's all we have.
The Nazis had their laws concerning the Jews, and they were just following orders while 6 million Jews died.
You're attacking the wrong people. I'm not sure why you can't understand that. This has been all the way up to the Supreme Court, and they told Bush to stuff it. The next step beyond what he's already done is armed revolution. Jeb Bush isn't a general. If that's your aim, you need someone like Schwartzkopf to lead your charge.
Thank you
You misunderstood my post. I think it's a disgrace people fear that because politicians and doctors haven't adequately described how and when this is done. We should not live in a nation where people are terrified of something like this...they should be adequately informed and the Rush Limbaughs of the world should not be spreading fear that the disabled will be next.
This event has brought us much closer to a lawless socity then an intervention by the executive branch of government to restore sanity to justice ever would.
The Government will rue they day that they allowed this to happen.
A leftist slogan comes to mind. I've always hated it, but it truly seems to fit in this case.
"No Justice, No Peace"
Signed on 4 days ago. Long time conservative Republican..........never gonna vote Republican again............yeah right.
>>As one of my former professors, who has studied the Third Reich for over 30 years, used to say: "People who like to throw out the Nazi accusation are usually closer to the Nazis than those they're accusing."<<
Sometimes the Nazi reference is appropriate, however. In these cases, your professor's words don't apply.
Let's see.........what did George do, besides signing a (highly controversial) bill to save Terri's life, coming back from Texas so he could sign it in the middle of the night......making strong pro-Terri statements.........??
I know those things are meaningless to you, but that's what the President's job is.
You want him to sign an executive order to overrule the Supreme Court (including the votes of Thomas and Scalia)..........and that's in the Constitution exactly where??
If Presidents have the power to overturn Supreme Court decisions, then why didn't Nixon, or Reagan overturn Roe v. Wade? Why aren't you villifying Reagan for not intervening with the runaway courts with an EO and saving the lives of not just one human life, but the millions of babies who have been slaughtered since he was elected in 1980??
Possibly because somewhere underneath your macho posturing, you understand the balance of powers in the Constitution, and that this President has done more to save lives in this country and around the world than any previous President has done.
Cut out the Bush bashing, put the blame where it lies, and get going to start fixing it.
If you know someone who is, you can find the link there. It was basically that Bork said Jeb had exhausted his legal options to intervene.
There is a good summary on Rush's site, however, on why we, as Republicans MUST obey the rule of law, and why we cannot behave as the xlinton administration, ala Reno, did, in the Elian case.
I am in shock (well maybe not), that members of the holier-than-thou-I-believe-in-the-Constitution-and-you-don't crowd around here, are suddenly willing to toss it out the window.
I guess for them hating Bush trumps their belief in the Constitution. This has been very revealing.........
I thought I probably was speaking for the majority here..........but one of the only ones crazy enough to take these guys on. ;o)
God is Sovereign, and HE is in control. He will bring honor and glory to Himself through this, and you are right.......we must have faith in HIM.
We need to pray as we never have before for America.
I agree fully with what you wrote. I would add that as a governor -- as the chief executive of the State of Florida -- Jeb Bush has been ineffective in protecting an innocent, young, disabled woman from deliberate starvation. He is unworthy of any future "promotion".
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