Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
I simply said that nobody has impeached a judge based on an errant decision in my memory.
Judicial dissents are grand, and do sometimes matter more in the long run, than the majority decision, if well reasoned.
And that's surely the snowjob that is going to be tossed at any legislature that tries, but that's not my point. My point is that the legislature can excuse the executive from a court's judgment.
Our government is already shattered! Brothers Bush and the legislature just hope that by not confronting it, it will go away. Like parents who make empty threats to disobedient children then don't follow up on the threats. The judges have ordered something that is legally wrong and the other branches can't do anything because they are unwilling to expose the corruption. It would be too costly, better to let it go. It's only one life.
well if you are cool with probate judges straving people to death without a review of the facts ever, then i don't know what do say to you. But do not try to tell me that is happen in Fla is legal, it's not, it is an illegal order, and I was instructed in the USMC not to obey illegals orders. make me president or gov of Fla for 5 minutes and I would stop this in a heartbeat.
So you'd agree that Jeb Bush does has legitimate legal grounds for taking action which would keep Terri alive?
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Gov Bush, has legitimate legal grounds for taking action and all the other gutless Republicans who stand idly by
No. There is a power to impeach judges for any reason, or no reason. That is legal. That is a power of the legislature.
That is something that the "its the law" people do not get. This is not Germany, there will be payback. And no one can predict what form it will take. But payback is coming, half country is enraged at that they see as a lawless government murdering innocent people in a horrific manner. Whoever thought they could play politics with Terry life may one big mistake.
There was never a review of the facts, Greer decided years ago and since then never a review.
(Courtesy ping for you Torie, although I highly doubt you will find this the slightest bit interesting.)
jpsb, I simply agreed with Torie's post. I don't want the executive branch to disregard the law - I think a better solution is to change the law. It is tragic that Terri Schiavo's life will likely be lost before that can happen, but defiant intervention by the executive branch is not the answer, in my opinion.
President and Governor Bush have been mocked, vilified, and disparaged on this site beyond anything I could ever have imagined. I'm just as frustrated by that as people are by what is happening in Florida right now.
Not ALMOST as frustrated - JUST as frustrated.
I don't feel guilty about agreeing with Torie, and if you're attempting to evoke that response from me, I'm sorry, but you're wasting your time. If not, then please pardon me for misjudging your intent.
I don't mean to be mean to you, I really don't, you are I am sure a fine person, but like Torie I have to call them as I see them.
That cuts both ways. If a Democrat in the Oval Office overrides the law because of what they believe to be right and it frightens you, I hope you'll remember this exchange.
I call them like I see them, too. And no, I don't think you're being mean. I've taken much worse around here - believe me.
The problem people ordinarily have with me is that I give it right back.
Exactly! We all want to avert our eyes and pretend it has not happened. You know...like, if we don't go into Terri's room, she's not really being killed.
There's nothing at all wrong with that. I would just caution you to be mindful of the long-term consequences of what you're asking the President and his brother to do.
It's not about impeaching Greer.
Who's gonna impeach Jeb if he imposed his power to keep Terri alive?
The issue is whether Jeb, as an executive, could use his power to engage a check in one particular case on the power of the judiciary. It would be the ultimate power play, and risky politically, but I haven't seen anything that suggests it would be illegal.
In other words, the day should rightfully come when a governor or even a president, acting legally, uses his political might to impose his will upon the judiciary. The most effective checks and balances are driven by the will of the people, not by black-robed tyranny.
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