Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
The above typo is one that you may feel free to correct. :)
I like Torie, he an old timer, but that remark was very offensive. must be a typo.
Or at least the ash-scattering in Pennsylvania
Ghouls I mean the likes of felos, greer, and michael
I should be clearer, the remark by Torie "Kudos" was very offensive, nothing you posted was, sorry for the confusion, I was seeing red reading Tories heartless remark.
'K. Thanks again.
And therein lies the problem, precisely. The risk that the lawless exercise of power might be gotten away with. Without laws, without judicial procedure, without judges deciding facts, even when errant, in the end, what we have is something other than a civil society. Call it what you want - the alternative - but whatever it is, it is across the River Styx, on the dark side. This hard case is driving some to simply make bad policy choices for the long term. Resist the temptation, and then resist it some more, is my best advice.
I'm not comparing them to the Nazis or to Hitler.
I'm saying that "I was just following orders" IS NO DEFENSE!
Whatever you want to make of it after that is your problem not mine.
I served this country faithfully my entire career. I KNOW what an illegal order is. Following orders is only proper up until the time that the order becomes Illegal.
If the Governor and/or the Senate, and or the Police choose to follow an Illegal Order, then there is ZERO defense to that.
It was not a valid defense at Nuremburg, it was not a valid defense for Lt Calley and it by GOD is not a defense now.
If the Governor does not have the moral courage to do what is Right, the Judge be damned, then I have lost all respect for the man.
People around here who keep harping on "I wouldn't want to live like that" That's fine, that's great, that's perfect. FOR YOU!
Who the hell are WE or Michael or that flaming maggot of a judge to decide FOR HER against her parents wishes?
She left NO instructions. Everything is going off the word of a man who is already trying to get on with his life.
So what's the big deal about turning it over to her parents?
Have you asked yourself that question? Because he LOVES her? Greater Love hath no man than he would give his life for his friends. THAT is love. What Shiavo is after is anything but that.
No Legal directives
Then it's murder by judge.
Sorry, but this is not a topic I personally am going to back down on. Nobody knows what her wishes were.
and as long as there is breath in my body I will call a spade a spade and that Governor is no better than the man who condemned her to death.
Again
"I was just following orders" Is NOT a defense.
But it isn't lawless; it's simply another method of administering the law. The Constitution cut the courts out of the impeachment process for a reason.
platos republic anyone? You can have it.
In impeachment, the legislators are the judges. Check and balance. Otherwise we have the Imperial Uber Alles Courtocrats.
Nobody is celebrating, jpsb. I'd like you to know, however, that I am just as offended by photoshopped pictures of Jeb Bush as Pontius Pilate, and comparisons of my President to Adolf Hitler, as you could ever be by any words of encouragement cast in their direction.
Ann Coulter
jpsb, I don't feel I have anything to apologize in my post. It was my honest, considered opinion. I call them as I see them.
To equate "Errant" with "Defying the courts" is begging the question. It's the legislature that gets to say what is "Errant" in such a case.
do the terms "useless eater" or "a life not worth living" mean anything to you. If it is lawful strave a disable women to death then what makes you think the law will protect you? What happen in Fla is making a mockery of justice, million have lost total respect for the law. This event has brought us much closer to a lawless socity then an intervention by the executive branch of government to restore sanity to justice ever would.
Given that it was 60/40 against a complete newbie in a county that is the world headquarters of Scientology (whose theology is unkind to the disabled) I'd note that as a significant minority dissent.
I doubt that the county is much influenced by the evil cult. The place is packed with geezers, who might be sensitive to the issue. Politics is not a game of horse shoes. Close doesn't count. Just ask Gore and Kerry.
Dissents are one factor that gets the Supreme Court interested in a case.
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