Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
Thank you so much for your nice post, Jrabbit, and for sharing your story.
I don't know much about spina bifada, I'm afraid, but do know about a few other disabilities. I heard a man call on the radio the other day who was disabled and was worried that he and other disabled people would be next.
He was serious and frightened and alone. And my heart just wrenched for him.
I understand the emotions govering this, on both sides. When I first started investigating this, my husband, who knows all too well how opinionated I am, was shocked that for the first time in 25 years, I didn't have a strong opinion either way. I just didn't want to see FR become a dumping ground of conspiracy theories.
But you know, this country has such a history of valuing life. All life. Remember the little girl who fell in the well years ago? I think people lost their lives saving her. We do so much to save people in this country. More than any other country on earth.
I don't want us to develop a policy where we discard people. But I think we should have the absolute right to self determination and decide how we are going to live and how we are going to die.
And so I don't like Congress getting involved because sure as shootin', they will pass something hastily without having a full conversation with their constituents, and something will get passed that will take some right away from someone somewhere. They always muck stuff up.
I want my husband to decide this for me with the advice of doctors. Not Congress. Not anyone else.
But when I hear stories like yours and think for a moment that a family in America is truly concerned that "they" might be coming for them next like that man on the radio, my heart bleeds.
And our leaders aren't doing a good job discussing this issue. I think they are frightened. It's a big issue.
But we all need to keep talking with each other and not AT each other and name calling, etc. I'm not pro death and you're not pro government interference or endorsing anarchy or violence, I'm sure.
Well, I'm babbling. Thanks for listening and for your nice post.
"I don't think the Germans had real courts at the time of Hitler which is what everybody keeps relating this whole thing to."
that's a fair reply - which begs the question (can you see this one coming from a mile away?) - do we have real courts anymore? it seems like more of the trial is decided in the MSM than by reality...
Not half as much as me. More than 90% of your posts are just self congratulatory pole shining.
Some people yearn for dictatorship, it seems.
Terri is dying. Nothing is being done now. The precedent is almost set.
We are on the slippery slope...
I am heart sick about this, and you are dead wrong to imply otherwise. I just want the blame to go where it belongs.
And I want this country to be healed. I pray every day for God's forgiveness for the sins of America in killing millions of unborn babies.
And I thank God daily that we have a President who wants to move us back toward a culture that honors life, and I thank God that we have finally made some progress in saving lives after 30 years of going farther and farther down the road of death.
This is my most important issue, TigersEye. It is deep in my soul, and I will continue to pray, and to be active in removing this culture of death.
But I will now end this discussion for the night.
Enjoy your bashing party. I hope it makes you feel like you've done something important......
<< "Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago."
Says it all, right there! [Although the date is off a bit]
Every totalitarian regime has and does used the courts to authorise its worst atrocities.
This is a great piece.
[And Jeb Bush's political career is over]
How is it that you know this about anyone here?
Riiiight. Whatever helps you sleep at night, tough guy.
Remember the petition by DCF is still pending in the appeals court. That is what Jeb is doing.
Tell me again what either Jeb or George did that was so courageous? They signed some bills?
"I do believe that Jesus clearing the moneylenders from the temple was "vigilantism"."
No it was not. Jesus Christ was God in flesh. As God He had every authority to do what He did. Everything is subject to God.
The parallel is with a Gov who takes the law into his own hands in defiane of a clearly incorrect court order.
Jeb Bush's first and only mistake was in trying to help you people and the Schiavo cause. I suspect he never knew what would be coming, in that you all would turn on him at the drop of a hat. Terri Schiavo would have been dead 3 years ago if it hadn't been Jeb Bush getting a law passed that saved her from all this happening at that time. And he tried to get a law passed again this time. But wasn't able to succeed. And his thank you? All the vitriolic, nasty, turncoat, mean and viscious comments from the likes of most of you Schiavo supporters. Jeb, you were a fool to take this up as a cause as it has gained you nothing but backstabbing and ungreatfulness. You couldn't have chosen a worse lot to hook up with.
If I do a find in forum on you will I be amazed at how hard you've been working to get this story out there and clarify the issues? Will I see lot's of links and information brought from outside the forum? /sarcasm
Coming from someone who has been dogging the Terri Schiavo threads with a bias against Terri on all points I'll take that with a grain of salt.
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