Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
Thanks for the link. Horrible is it not?
I'm trying to figure out how fighting for life....is hurting the pro life movement.
This was my post; I messed up the italics.
And that's what this is all about. I can't tell you how many freepers have suspected as much. And been pretty disgusted by it. It's classic over-reach.So you aren't going to get what you want on the disabled and you've hurt the pro life movement. Thanks for nothing. I 've seen this happen before with the pro life movement and it's always a step too far, too harshly. It's not pretty
I'm sorry, Bub, but anyone who equates Jeb Bush to a Nazi does not have my respect, and I don't care how many Purple Hearts he has.
On the other hand, I understand that all this is stuff going on has a tendency to get you hot. Heck, I'm pretty hot as well. It's easy to say stuff you don't mean without thinking them thru.
It's all about that jack, man.
Unfortunately there are a lot of dynamics in this issue. Did you do any research at all on the attorney for Michael. If not, you should. I'm only stating what is public knowledge.
That being said. I don't care who Michaels attorney is or what cause he supports....it is still wrong to kill Terri.
What would you do if it was your daughter that the state was trying to starve to death..... would you sit by and do nothing?
The comparisons of the Bushes to Nazis, attacks on all Republicans who don't advocate extralegal measures, and the general hysteria are, frankly, completely uncalled for. All of that serves no constructive purpose.
Governor Bush absolutely has the authority, legal or not, to defy a court order. He has the stated authority to uphold the laws of the state, not to uphold the judiciaries interpretation of the law if he believes it to be incorrect.
And he maintains that authority right up until the point that the FL Legislature impeaches him if they feel he has acted improperly.
That is what is known a 'checks and balances'. There is a reason that the judiciary has no 'police force' at its disposal if the executive branch does not agree with it's decisions or edicts.
You're right. The analogy is imperfect. The pruning is part of the 'insurance pool' not the gene pool as in Nazi Germany. Long term care insurers are the ones who want to systematically prune the ranks.
Little Rock then was about the segragationist governor defying federal law by refusing to integrate the schools. The troops were sent there to enforce the law, not defy it. Still bitter about that one, eh?
They will accomplish NOTHING. We need to change the laws in order to solve the problem. We need righteous judges in order to solve the problem. We need to change hearts in order to solve the problem. We need to isolate what the problem is to solve the problem.
All this vigilanteism and Bush bashing is counter productive to actually fixing what is wrong here.
We have sanctioned murder in this country since Roe v. Wade, and by education, and counselling, we are saving more and more lives. Killing abortion doctors didn't save a single baby, but changing hearts has saved thousands.
THINK. Don't just react. THINK.
There are a lot of ways you could make yourself useful in this fight. This isn't one of them.
An unjust law is not a real law.
And a Jew...uh.....disabled person.....uh.....inconvenient person.....uh.....undesirable person.....that person there, is not a real person.
See, if you are not a real person, then you are not a member of the party and have no rights. If you have no rights, then you have no protections. So, we will simply cause you not to be.
Do you know how often feeding tubes are removed? It happens a lot. Is this particular case right or wrong? Let's not even go there because we'll talk all night or argue.
If we don't like the laws, change the laws.
And ask yourself this.
If Terri has been suffering for 15 years, we should end that. If Terri really did want to not live on tubes (and I dont' know many people who do), then we should honor that.
And if she hasn't been suffering for 15 years, then she's not suffering now.
I know we disagree. But I hate what this has done to the larger movement and the bigger pictures. And it's not fair to the people who are trying to spend their last few days on earth in some kind of peace and quiet at a hospice.
Most Hospices have beautiful grounds and gardens and those patients can't even go out there without hearing the ugliest words being thrown around like so much confetti.
Judge Greer is now the self-appointed Governor of the State of Florida. Jeb Bush has abducated.
I suppose you have the option of defying a court order too, but of course not one of you people advancing this idea are willing to be troubled to put your money where your mouth is.
It's getting old.
I doubt that.
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