Posted on 03/28/2005 6:48:57 PM PST by Keyes2000mt
Governor Jeb Bush, R-Florida, was pained to say he had done all he could do legally. Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo. Bush wouldn't, couldn't, shouldn't because he is just obeying orders. The Governor of Florida follows orders from a Pinellas County Circuit judge. In matters of life and death. In issues of cruel and unusual punishment. When due process is denied.
The Constitution of Florida says The People are sovereign — like kings. The People of Florida vest the supreme executive authority in a governor in their constitution. Unless, apparently, a judge orders otherwise. In fact a Circuit Judge, whose limited jurisdiction is listed in the Florida constitution can order every administrative and police official across the state of Florida to 'freeze, boy. Do as I order, hear?' So, when a child takes water to a starving, dehydrated disabled woman, the kid is arrested by deputies. They're just following orders.
Good Germans followed judges and other officials in obeying the law of the land 60 years ago. Good Americans today, it appears, also obey the law of the land. The law of the land is whatever a black robed priest-king, called judge, says it is. Ask Gov. Bush where in the Florida Code a Circuit judge can deny a woman food and water unto death. Yet, clearly, it's a violation of Chapter 825 of the Florida Criminal Code to abuse and neglect a disabled person, Terry Schiavo, by starvation.
The Florida Constitution states The People have the God-given right to life for all individuals — regardless of disability. Unless an elected lawyer in costume, a judge, says the law of the land is to kill a brain-damaged woman slowly. The abuse of a disabled person by failing to provide nutrition is a felony in Florida. Unless, of course, a judge says 'follow my orders' and won't permit her family to take a picture of her suffering.
Lawful Germans just followed the orders of Nazi Human Secularists. Loyal Russian, Chinese, North Korean, Eastern European, Cambodian, and Vietnamese carried out the orders of Communist Human Secularists. Americans serve Liberal Human Secularism if a judge orders. If a judge ordered a black man lynched, it would be the law of the land.
Why not? Gov. Bush would be so sorry, really, but couldn't do anything if a judge gave an order. But, a judge would never do such a thing, right? The difference between lynching and abortion is proportion and status. One black man dies or 40 million babies die (so far) on the word and writ of robed masters. No one in the executive or legislature used their constitutional powers. Everyone just followed orders.
Abortion was a state medical-legal issue, but five judges out of nine on the U.S. Supreme Court made up a right to privacy. It's written in the U.S. Constitution like the requirement to starve Terry Schiavo to death is in the Florida Constitution and Code. Look and see.
March 28th, 2005 we will see if the U.S. Congress which ordered a subpoena for Terry Schiavo and a new Federal judicial review of her case will follow the orders of Pinellas County Circuit judge. George Greer dismissed the subpoena, backed by the U.S. Code — it's the law, with a wave of his hand. Just as he denied Terry Schiavo her freedom of religion to receive communion, until her adulterous husband — and Greer's campaign contributor — relented for Easter. The Federal judges ignored the law the U.S. Congress passed and the President of the U.S. signed for new look at the case. They rule.
The elected Federal Legislature and Executive is having their bluff called. Attorney General Janet Reno sent in armed men against a Florida court order to take Elian Gonzales from his dead mother's wishes and loving family to return the child to communist slavery in Cuba. Perhaps, Republicans in power just posture.
Reasonable people and unreasonable people, sometimes known as lawyers, disagree on Gov. Bush using his executive power. They fear a Constitutional crisis. Too late. Judge Greer started the crisis, this Dred Scot, with his judicial tyranny. The judge would hold the Governor in contempt. It would take an Andrew Jackson or Abraham Lincoln to be so bold. But, Jeb Bush, nice guy that he is, well-meaning man, and good Catholic, is no 'Old Hickory' and no "Honest Abe'. Jeb, like every defendant at Nuremburg save one, pleads 'not guilty' because he is just following orders.
Yep. As an added bonus, he's a Republican who's "just upholding the law."
I'm as pro-life as anyone can be, and I was accused multiple times of being a "Good German" by some recent sign on (troll?).
I know it's got to be tough to control this mess, but I wish the mods would just zap every Nazi accusation as soon as it pops up.
When you taunt people to go get arrested before they ask the Executive Officers of the country to act you are directly suggesting vigilante behavior. Don't give me any sorry sophistry about it. It's exactly what you are doing.
"Bush said he wouldn't 'break the law' to save Terry Schiavo."
Does Bush realize Terri is a live human being?
I've been trying to figure out how many of these people are trolls vs. DU'ers vs. opinion shapers. They certainly are stirring dissent and causing otherwise reasonable freepers to get a little hot headed.
You know what my concern is about all this? That the pro life movement, which is a just movement, was making wonderful strides among moderates and even some democrats. I could see positions softening with the few democrats I know.
They are getting older, their daughters are having children and they are seeing the ultrasounds, etc. and the new technology that permitted these previous pro choice women to see the unborn in a way they never did before.
We have all read articles about how the those little babies put their hands over their ears when a loud noise is made. I've forgotten what week that happens in but I think the studies have said as early as 12 weeks.
When pro life movements call me for money, they are the nicest people and I've told them that I've thought they should play up the technology and studies that I just mentioned; that it's having an impact and they've agreed.
But the face of Randall Terry and the others outside a Hospice, where people are dying, and yelling into that bullhorn and spouting his hate filled rhetoric and stirring up the crowd...that is not the face of compassionate conservatism, pro life or Christianity that we want out there.
Regardless of how people feel about the Terri situation, there are other people to consider here. Like those people who are spending their last days on earth listening to bullhorns and people screaming the worst sort of things at our policemen. They are calling our policemen Nazis!
And the unborn will be affected too because I think this has set the movement back 20 years. And so how many babies won't have a chance at life because Randall Terri exploited the Schindlers and this entire situation for his own quest for power.
I have been so grieved that the other considerations have been taken into account and I'd personally like to tear his eyelashes out one by one.
If any good can come out of this tragedy of the American soul, it will be this.
Lawless is the court's order to murder Terri. No agent of lawful authority acts lawfully to assist it -- and some according to their level -- the masters, the chiefs -- act lawfully to stop that lawless order.
Agreed. What about the elected who "helplessly" sit by while the innocent are exterminated?
Garbage. Pure garbage.
Man, what you said.... BIG BUMP.
I have never been so disappointed in my party. How did it get so weak and helpless??
Some of us began to suspect this when his wife was caught trying to smuggle tens of thousands of dollars worth of designer dresses into the country. He got her off though.
That is what Greer's orders are!
Most of you folks could care less about anyones life.
You are just using this as an excuse to bash Bush.
Getting your talking points from the DU is a laugh.
Since you can't win with your own democrat folks, you
think you can split the Republicans on this issue.
Guess again. Most of us are wise what you trolls are
pulling.
The probate judge may only be able to deal with what he is presented and may be limited here.
If the counter-evidence was proved false earlier, then bringing up the same stuff again isn't going to change the ruling IMO.
I am not satisfied and hope the autopsy answers things more clearly and that Congress restricts the Judicial powers further.
Jeb would have been going against not only the courts, but also the Florida legislature (they were unable to pass a law that would have protected Terri and patients like her). Additionally, weren't there reports that the local police would have enforced Greer's order? In that case, throw in half the executive branch as well. Jeb had no one to enforce his decision, except at the cost of conflict and possible bloodshed between state agents and local police. He choose not to risk it, and he made the right decision.
Also, Judge Greer was elected to his position, so we can't use the ol' chestnut of an unelected robed tyrant--he's at least an elected robed tyrant (and in his defense, he applied the law as it exists in Florida). I do vehemently disagree with his findings of fact, and his continual refusal to hear new evidence, however.
I don't understand why the Schindlers, and all of the pols, waited until after the tube was removed to begin their campaign. Greer granted a stay in February to give them time to prepare new info for their case, and it seems nothing new was done in that month. Did they attempt to have tests done on Terri that would conclusively prove her condition? Did Michael block them? I don't know the answer; maybe someone here does.
One more thing--I am tired of the Nazi analogies. They're just as feeble as when the LLLs employ them. Terri's supporters can make points without constantly invoking the NSDAP. The use of Germany 1933-45 in every political argument is wearisome.
In logic:
"If A, then B" is not equivalent to "If B, then A".
Put more succinctly, Life and Death are not equivalent outcomes.
No, you're party first country second. Jeb and George are just nice fixtures for you. Don't get their suits muddy by shouldering their sworn responsibility.
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