The Barnes and Noble in Tallahassee is open late tonight.....
How can you grant her clemency when she isn't a target of the investigation of any wrongdoing?
How many times do we have to see these silly arguments trotted out?
Look, at this point, he's just going to have to violate a court order, send in the goons, and seize the woman. Or not. We know what he chose.
How many times must this stupid recommendation be reposted? You can't grant clemency or a pardon to someone not accused/convicted of a crime...
I just dont understand why everybody is thinking its alright for the gov or president to take such a step.
As much as I hate the situation so many moral and legal bounds are being torn on this case.
On the one hand we are watching a cruel and unusual punishment being performed on an innocent women. The courts yes have clearly overstepped themselves on this one.
On the other end would be to have the executive branch overstep its reach. Both cases are scary as far as federalism and the reach of gov't goes.
I don't want the government, be it courts or legislative or executive tell me or my family how we are to deal with a loved one who is in that situation.
And I am very sad to say after much mulling and tearing over this issue. I would have preferred Dr Kevorkian over this situation anyday. That although not a morally tasteful or even good choice outweighs death by starvation and dehydration, no matter what drugs are given.
Michael should have simply divorced her and given custodial and legal rights back to her family years ago.
If it were that simple, Governor Bush would have already tried it rather than risk losing the support of pro-life voters.
Anyway, I wish Jeb would do anything to help her. I think he would if he thought it was legal. Regardless, he has been amazing through all of this and I thank him from the bottom of my heart no matter what else happens.
I wouldn't vote for Jeb for dog catcher.
In order to open a criminal investigation - you have to have substantiated evidence of a CRIME BEING COMMITTED. While there are a lot of suspicions - that is unfortunately not substantiated evidence.
Opening an investigation is not the job of the Gov. It's the job of the State's attorney general. Since there were people in the State attorney general's office who shut down one of the two investigations years ago .. I doubt the attorney general's office will be doing any investigating any time soon.
Florida residents were more interested in going to the beach than in finding out what their govt officials were up to. They now have a horrible mess on their hands and want absolution by DEMANDING the Gov do someting. Puhleeeeeeze!
I think, according to that article, opening up a criminal investigation and granting clemancy are two separate options. The latter would probably get struck down by the Florida Supreme Court, since sick people in this society argue that this is "mercy" rather than "punishment". I mean this whole case is based upon definitions...by defining someone as PVS, by definition they cannot respond to their parents and plea for help, neither can they leave the stated of being in PVS. By defining the sentence as mercy rather than punishment, they can carry it out without due process. But it's all just labels, dictated by society. This is the scary reality!
As for the first option, creating a criminal investigation, that does sound like an OPTION I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN! I heard that, not surprisingly, Michael Schiavo wants to have Terri's body immediately cremated immediately following her death. Obviously, to destroy any evidence that could convict him of murder! It is beyond criminal, it is sinister!
I think the only reason Jeb isn't acting is that he's afraid of political fall-out that would hurt not only him but the whole Republican Party. If he were to act any further to save Terri, it would only enrage certain liberals...it might flip Florida into becoming a blue state. On the other hand, I would argue that the damage has already been done, with that regard, as people are so appalled that their leaders would actually try to intervene to save someone's life.
At this point it comes down to faith: Doctors believe that there is still time for Terri to be saved, but there is no certainty. She may not be PVS, and may be able to regain enough cognitive functionality with proper treatment that she can point fingers at the villains, but there is no certainty. God may open people's eyes to see this case for what it really is -- murder, plain and simple -- but there is no certainty.
If you believe that God will reward one righteous person who steps forward to save Terri's life, at all costs, then there is only one thing to do.
The Barnes and Noble in Tallahassee is open late tonight.....
Give it up. Gov Bush is not a hero, and he doesn't play one on TV.
Why not use Executive Power and rescue her physically?
However, the way that I think is the most inarguable is to do this:
The first finesses the lack of any conviction, just as it did in the Nixon case. The second again avoids the lack of any sentence, since the intent of the clemency order would not be to void any sentence, but just to restore her right to life.
"Legal Murder"
Letter I sent to Gonzales, who refuses requests by White House and Congress. I understand they are furious with him - if he thinks this will protect his bid for a June appointment to the SCOTUS - and be able to avoid filibuster - I beleive he wont have to worry about any filibuster because I don't think "W" will even put him up.
My letter to Gonzo:
Alberto Gonzales, U. S. A. T.
Dear sir:
You are allowing a precedent of LEGAL MURDER to become the law of the land.
Help me to understand.
? - your allowing the murder of Terri Shiva will NOT protect you ambitions for SCOTUS - it will sink it. People are slowly - but surely - beginning to understand where the hangup is.
The only "evidence" that this woman didn't want to be kept alive this way is the questionable word of a conflicted, abusive husband-in-name-only and his own brother/sister in law.
Others have testified she said the opposite when remarking on someone on life support (which she is Not - except by a law they conveniently passed to put a feeding tube on the 'artificial means" list, the better to murder her with) - by saying she tought it was wrong to 'pull the plug' saying "Where there is Life there is Hope." (Terri) Why is this being ingored?
This one dubious hearsay statement by her adulterous husband, someone who has several self-serving reasons for wanting this innocent person dead - is the ONLY word that this murder is predicated on.
What about even the fact the she has been imprisoned illegally in a Hospice - that, at the time, Felos was on the board of! - denied therapy (against the law, and even medical treatment for infections - Legal?) and all the rest that proves gross neglect of a 'guardian'. In addition, this "guardian" stands to profit from her death.
It isn't that the 'family' agrees: her blood family want, at the least, her right to be tested - to have an MRI and PET, to look into the matter of ex rays that show a pattern of abuse, etc etc.
If you allow this to finish this way, her blood is on your hands, too - and in the future, countless millions of "inconvenients" . Abortion rights was never meant to become the holocaust is has. This "legal murder" will become a genocide of the incapacitated too and you will have countless millions of deaths to think about - to think: "I could have stopped it."
Either way = this will be your legacy. Who do you see when you look in the mirror?
It's too late!
Where have you been?
Legally, it's done!