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Court spares killer over jury's use of Bible
MSNBC ^ | March 28, 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 03/28/2005 12:36:05 PM PST by Sola Veritas

Condemned man gets life in prison for killing waitress Updated: 2:47 p.m. ET March 28, 2005 DENVER - The Colorado Supreme Court threw out the death sentence Monday of a man convicted of raping and killing a cocktail waitress because jurors consulted the Bible during deliberations. The court said Bible passages, including the verse that commands “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” could lead jurors to vote for death. The justices ordered Robert Harlan to serve life in prison without parole for the 1994 slaying of Rhonda Maloney. Harlan’s attorneys challenged the sentence after discovering five jurors had looked up Bible verses, copied some of them down and then talked about them behind closed doors. Prosecutors said jurors should be allowed to refer to the Bible or other religious texts during deliberations.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: antibible; antichristian; antichristianbigotry; bible; churchandstate; constitution; firstammendment; freedomofreligion; secularization
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To: Sola Veritas

I guess jurors don't have 1st Amendment rights now?


21 posted on 03/28/2005 12:47:36 PM PST by thoughtomator (Order "Judges Gone Wild!" Only $19.95 have your credit card handy!)
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To: Brilliant
Not a bright move by the jurors. Said Brillant


Yes I can't imagine ANYONE wanting to consult The Bible to find out what God (the inventor of the law) would have to say about justice /sarcasm definitely ON
22 posted on 03/28/2005 12:47:54 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Steve_Seattle
This ruling has nothing to do with anti-Bible or anti-Christian sentiment. The jurors who did this were idiots.

For that matter, people around here were incensed by the idea that the U. S. Supreme Court was considering the opinions of foreign law. Why shouldn't we be outraged that a jury constituted under our laws is consulting a foreign text in its deliberations?

23 posted on 03/28/2005 12:48:50 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Steve_Seattle

"the judge's instructions"

Says it all.


24 posted on 03/28/2005 12:49:28 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

This is just one more bit of evidence that jury service is an enormous waste of time, which is why I haven't answered a jury summons in years.


25 posted on 03/28/2005 12:49:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Sola Veritas

Did these people ever hear of the rule of jury nullification? It means that the jury is the final say on all matters. They cannot legally throw out a jury's ruling. A ruling can be overturned because of something that did or did not happen in the courtroom, new evidence, police procedures,etc., but it cannot legally be thrown out because of how the jury arrived at its verdict.


26 posted on 03/28/2005 12:49:48 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: Sola Veritas
More proof that courts don't understand the difference between "Freedom of Religion" as stated in the First Ammendment and "Freedom from Religion" which is not guaranteed or implied by the constitution.

This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Jurors are not allowed to bring in outside materials when deciding on a case.

27 posted on 03/28/2005 12:49:52 PM PST by Modernman ("They're not people, they're hippies!"- Cartman)
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To: sinkspur

Was this deliberations over guilt or deliberations over sentencing? If it was the latter, this ruling is a farce.

What are they supposed to do decide on sentencing, flip a coin?


28 posted on 03/28/2005 12:49:53 PM PST by Bryan24
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

Well the bible regulates slavery and doesn't exactly condemn it.


29 posted on 03/28/2005 12:50:15 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Sola Veritas
jurors consulted the Bible during deliberations

Thou shall not murder? OMG, we can't have that in our courts!

30 posted on 03/28/2005 12:50:37 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Sola Veritas

"The Robed Tyrants".


31 posted on 03/28/2005 12:51:21 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Steve_Seattle

What's the difference between bringing written quotations from the Bible into the deliberations and quoting the same text from memory?


32 posted on 03/28/2005 12:52:10 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Sola Veritas

It's part of a judge's job to give jurors instructions prior to deliberation. This is to AVOID problems like this.


33 posted on 03/28/2005 12:52:27 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Sola Veritas
Says it all.

It certainly says that you don't know what "jury instructions" are, or what the difference between findings of law and findings of fact are.

34 posted on 03/28/2005 12:52:47 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Sola Veritas
Agreed, I said it numerous times here on FR. We don't have the "Rule of Law" in this country anymore, we have the "Rule of Lawyers."

LOL! I could have posted that myself!

Lawyers are the commissars of American Socialism.

35 posted on 03/28/2005 12:53:10 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: concerned about politics

"...Terri has committed no crime, but MUST DIE for her non crime!..."

The irony is sickening. If you sneeze the wrong way as a jurist, the rapist's life is spared on a technicality and an absurd one at that.

Yet we have no "proof" that Terry wanted to starve to death but does she get the benefit of a single doubt? Hell no. Judge Death, aka Greer, has spoken and there's no room for a "technicality" here like no living will.

I am a disgusted American.



36 posted on 03/28/2005 12:53:27 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: SALChamps03
it cannot legally be thrown out because of how the jury arrived at its verdict.

You've never heard of jury tampering? You can throw out a verdict if it is demonstrated that the jury was bribed, or attempted to arrive at legal instead of factual conclusions, or that they based their decision on evidence they had obtained outside the courtroom.

37 posted on 03/28/2005 12:54:16 PM PST by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: Sola Veritas
Harlan’s attorneys challenged the sentence after discovering five jurors had looked up Bible verses, copied some of them down and then talked about them behind closed doors.

I am more troubled by this.
Secret deliberation means just that.
How did the defendant's attorneys "discover" anything?
Related to this, any juror who writes a book about a case he has served on should be prosecuted. The only time jury deliberations are relevant outside a jury room is if what is clearly a crime has been committed.

38 posted on 03/28/2005 12:54:25 PM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Brilliant

They should have read Shakespeare instead. Something about lawyers.


39 posted on 03/28/2005 12:55:21 PM PST by AmishDude (The Clown Prince-in-a-can of Free Republic!)
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To: bahblahbah
Well the bible regulates slavery and doesn't exactly condemn it.

The masters were told to take good care of them. They were to treat them like we treat our hired help. These were people being tossed about by the rulers laws of the day, but Christians were not to treat them like animals. They were to have human compassion for them.

40 posted on 03/28/2005 12:55:38 PM PST by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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